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Sigrid B. Stensas. Svorkmo f 1868

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Leiv Skjerve

Mottatt følgende mail fra U S A:

Sigrid B. Stensaas.

From Minnesota, USA I am working on family

history of this woman. Can you tell me how

she came to America?

Janet B.Berkseth

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Sigrid B. Stensaas reiste til Amerika i 1898

Jeg har registrert henne på min Hjemmeside.

http://leskjerv.seria.no/aner/0023/7_6887.htm

Jeg ber om hjelp

Leiv

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Grethe Flood

Hvor har du funnet utvandringen hennes, i emigrantprotokollene eller aktuell kirkebok?

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Anne-Lise Hansen

Jeg fant utreisen 29. mai 1889 fra Trondheim med destinasjon Eau Claire, Wisconsin:

http://digitalarkive...merk=58672#ovre

 

Sammen med henne reiser også Esten O. Bjerkseth fra Soknedal som skal til Rise Lake, Wisconsin.

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Anne-Lise Hansen

Sigrid B. Stensaas travelled with the ship Argo from Inman Line.

 

'The Inman Line had no direct service from Norway, so the Norwegian emigrants who chose to travel on the Inman Line ships had to go via England. This was also the case for emigrants from other contries like Sweden and Denmark. The commonly used route for norwegians and Swedes was by the Wilson Line ships from ports in Norway and Sweden to Hull on the east coast of England. From Hull they had to cross over to Liverpool on the vest coast by train to board the transatlantic steamer.'

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_shiplist.asp?co=inman

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Arne Solås

Jeg tror dette må være henne - selv om navnet er noe radbrekket. Lin kan også tolkes som Siri i originalen. Esten Bjerkseth og flere av de andre som reiste samme dag fra Trondheim finnes i denne passasjerlisten:

 

Name: Lin Stenson Arrival Date: 15 Jun 1889 Birth Date: abt 1871 Age: 18 Gender: Female Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian Place of Origin: Norway Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination: Wisconsin Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: City of Chicago

 

Om SS "City of Chicago":

 

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=cichi

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Grethe Flood

Hvis jenta dere har funnet utvandret i 1889 er den samme Siri jeg fant i Soknedal, er vel dette dåpen til Siri (som jeg mener å ha sett bli brukt om hverandre med Sigrid):

 

Sør-Trøndelag fylke, Soknedal, Ministerialbok nr. 689A03 (1848-1872), Fødte og døpte 1868, side 83.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2407&idx_id=2407&uid=ny&idx_side=-86

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050518040086.jpg

 

Konfirmasjonen:

Trøndelag fylke, Soknedal i Støren, Ministerialbok nr. 689A05 (1878-1890), Konfirmerte 1883, notat- og visitassider m.m. 0, side 74.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6562&idx_id=6562&uid=ny&idx_side=-63

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061017040764.jpg

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Anne-Lise Hansen

Jeg tror dette må være henne - selv om navnet er noe radbrekket. Lin kan også tolkes som Siri i originalen.

 

Jeg har også sett at S blir feiltolket som en L i transkripsjoner av folketellingene, for eksempel blir

forkortelsen S og P (for Sogn og Prestegjeld) til L og T.

 

Ankomsten passer også med avreisedatoen og ruteplanen til Inman Line.

 

Dette skal vel uansett bli oversatt til engelsk, så jeg fortetter med engelsk:

Ole Stensaas (Sigrids brother?) from Soknedalen travelled in 1881 with the Allan Line and the ship Tasso

and he was also going to Eau Claire. The ticket was payed for in America, so perhaps a relative was already there?

http://digitalarkive...merk=22774#ovre

 

Ole born 1855: https://familysearch...M9.1.1/NWDR-CD4

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Anne-Lise Hansen

Kanskje Janet K. Berkseth kan bekrefte Sigrids fødselsdato 20. April 1868?

Maybe Janet K. Berkseth can confirm Sigrid's date of birth April 20. 1868?

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Arne Solås

Om dette er den samme Sigrid som er funnet emigrert/immigrert, så skal hun ifølge 1900-census, være født i mars 1871 - Det kan jo selvsagt være feil, men passer jo godt med alderen:

 

Name: Sigred Bjerkaeth

[sigrid Bjerkseth] Age: 29 Birth Date: Mar 1871 Birthplace: Norway Home in 1900: Minneapolis Ward 3, Hennepin, Minnesota

[Hennepin] Race: White Gender: Female Immigration Year: 1889 Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Knut O Bjerkaeth Marriage Year: 1899 Years Married: 1 Father's Birthplace: Norway Mother's Birthplace: Norway

 

Har Stensaas blitt til Stone? Ikke så urimelig vel - men dessverre ingen alder innført her:

 

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FDDC-WRM

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Anne-Lise Hansen

Kanskje Janet K. Berkseth kan bekrefte Sigrids fødselsdato 20. April 1868?

 

Fint om hun også kan bekrefte at familien senere er å finne i Minnesota?

Kanskje Leiv kan sende henne lenke til denne tråden, så hun kanskje kan svare direkte?

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Leiv Skjerve

Fint om hun også kan bekrefte at familien senere er å finne i Minnesota?

Kanskje Leiv kan sende henne lenke til denne tråden, så hun kanskje kan svare direkte?

 

Busetnad og folkeliv i Soknedal I I I

STENSÅS NORDSTU OG SØRSTU side 25

STENSÅS SØRSTU

SLEKTA PÅ BRUKET. side 31

Bernt Sivertsen Vognild 1823-1919

g m Olaug Olsdatter Solberg 1824- 1893

6 barn

nr 6 Siri Berntsdatter f 1868. Til Amerika 1898

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Anne-Lise Hansen

En trykkfeil i bygdeboka, altså. (There must be a typo in the book: 1898 instead of 1889.)

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Leiv Skjerve

Rettelse: Bernt Sivertsen 1823-1910

Jeg har nok kjørt meg fast. Ancestry er også inne i bildet

Jeg må be om hjelp til besvarelse og ønsker å vidersende mailen

til en hjelpende hånd

Vennlig hilsen

Leiv

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Anne-Lise Hansen

Jeg har sendt deg en PM, Leiv.

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Anne-Lise Hansen

Fra Janet K. Berkseths epost 2. april 2013.

 

Our Sigrid B Stensas was born in 1868. I am not certain of the day or month.

 

She is listed in Jens Haukdal's Busetnad og Folkeliv I Soknedal on page 31 as Siri Berntsdotter.

 

I have read the responses from the people in your forum, and believe the information there is like the information we have here.

 

Yes, she did live in Minneapolis, Minnesota for a number of years.

 

Yes, it seems her first name is sometimes Siri, sometimes Sigrid, and once even Sarah. It seems that in America her official name

was Sigrid. However, I can remember a time when the name Siri was being used here and her son said that that was his mother's name.

On another occasion when the name Sarah was given to an infant here, I remember him saying that that was his mother's name.

I am not Norwegian, so I understood him to mean that they were different forms of the same name. Can you clarify that for me?

 

Yes, in America Stensas became Stone. I do not know if the words mean the same thing or if they just sounded similar. Can you comment on that?

 

I have also had some questions about the years 1889 and 1898 in some of our information. Do you think there is a typo in some records?

 

Once again, I thank you.

Janet

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Anne-Lise Hansen

Svar 3. april 2013 fra undertegnede.

 

I have no doubt that it is your Sigrid we have found, and I am glad you can confirm both the family name Stone, and the fact that Sigrid was called Siri and Sarah in America.

 

The typo seems to be in Jens Haukdal's book on page 31, where the emigrstion year is typed 1898 instead of the correct year 1889.

 

The word Stone translates to Sten or Stein in Norwegian (and Ås or Aas means hill or ridge), so they did a direct translation of (a part of) their Norwegian name.

 

Is it OK for you if I copy your answer (and also my answer to you) as an entry in the forum debate? (In that way all the participants will get an answer.) If you also wish to participate yourself, it is easy to register as a forum user. Many Americans are members of this forum.

 

I forgot to answer your question about the different names. Sigrid, Sigri, Siri are equally used about the same person, but not Sarah, which is a different name. I think that one is a misspelling or misinterpretation by the enumerator. :)

 

 

 

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Fra Janet K. Berkseth i dag:

 

Yes, Anne-Lise, you may share my response with the others who have worked on this for me.

Please convey my thanks to them also.

 

I will not be registering in the forum for myself at this time. Perhaps later I will feel more capable.

 

After reading the materials, I understand that:

 

Sigrid Stensaas, age 18, from Soknedal Valley departed on the ship Argo of the Inman Lines on May 29, 1889.

 

Her destination was listed as EauClaire, Wisconsin, and her ticket was paid for by someone in America.

 

On the same ship were two others from Soknedal, Change Gulvaag and Esten O Bjerkeseth, going to Rice Lake, Wisconsin.

 

Can you tell me if I understand correctly?

 

I also understand that there would have been a different ship of the Wilson Line taking her to from Trondheim, Norway to England. Is that correct? Is the name of that ship in this material?

 

Once again, thank you.

Janet

 

 

Svar i dag fra undertegnede:

 

Yes, you understand correctly. Sigrid travelled with Endre Gulvaag and Esten O Bjerkseth from Soknedal, who both were going to Rice Lake, Wisconsin. http://digitalarkive...merk=58672#ovre

 

In entry #6 you will find that she most likely left Liverpool, England on the SS "City of Chicago" (although her name is mis-spelled), arriving in New York on June 15. 1889.

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Leiv Skjerve

Mange takk til Grethe og Arne for opplysende innlegg

 

En spesiell takk til Anne - Lise for hennes formidling til Amerika

 

Jeg forlot Ancestry for ca 2 år siden

 

Vennlig hilsen

 

Leiv

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Leiv Skjerve

Har liggende en e-mail nr 2 fra Janet

 

"These people were my husband's grandparents in America.

Sigrid (1868-1913) Knud (1870-1934)

Can you tell us how they are in your

 

family tree?

 

Janet Berkseth"

 

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Håper at du Anne-Lise kan formidle etterfølgende "Family tree" til Jane

 

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Family tree

 

Knud Olsen Bjerkset f 1870 7 menning med min far

 

Ole Knudsen Bjerkset f 1844

 

Knud Olsen Bjerkset f 1800

 

Ole Knudsen Bjerkset f 1768

 

Maren Arntsdatter Presthus f 1738

 

Marit Halvorsdatter Presthus f 1712

 

Maren Henriksdatter Ilbru f 1680 Fransvis Henriksdatter llbru f 1672

Hun er min tipp-4-oldemor

 

Malene Frandsdatter Jagow f 1645

 

http://leskjerv.seria.no/aner/0001/90.htm

 

Frands Jagow f 1600

 

http://leskjerv.seria.no/aner/0002/2489.htm

 

Tysk innvandrer til Kvikne kobbergruver i 1636

 

Vennlig hilsen

 

Leiv

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Leiv Skjerve

Maren Henriksdatter Ilbru f 1680 Fransvis Henriksdatter llbru f 1672

 

Hun er min tipp-4-oldemor

 

Dette rettes til:

 

Maren Henriksdatter Ilbru f 1680 Fransvis Henriksdatter Ilbru f 1672

Hun er min tipp-4-oldemor

 

Leiv

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Leiv Skjerve

Det er Fransvis Henriksdatter Ilbru som

 

er min

 

tipp-4-oldemor

 

 

Leiv

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Anne-Lise Hansen

Det er Fransvis Henriksdatter Ilbru som

 

er min

 

tipp-4-oldemor

 

 

Leiv

 

Who, according to the list, will be Leiv's 5th great grandmother in American.

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