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Fred H. Boer

Hi friends,

Thanks to a lot of foreign friends i've learned a lot of my Danish and Norways ancestors. It looks like i am stuck now. There are several branches in my tree which leads to Norway.

For example:

1. Niels Friis, born 8-10-1773 (no idea where) and died on 8-10-1853 (on his 80th birthday.

   In the trolovelsebook Niels mentioned he's from the Netherlands. I wont say I know all the dutch baptism records, but i don't think his roots are in the Netherlands. Niels was a skipper, and maybe his parents were also. I think (and I agree if you think it's a poor way to start a question) his father was a Norwegian, and met a dutch girl. Niels could be their son. And he returned to Norway and married 11-2-1802 in Stromso Anna Catharina Thogerdatter Holm, born 14-11-1782 Stromso, died 31-12-1831 Drammen. One of their sons, Michael Borle (where comes that name from?) Fries went to the Netherlands and went first to Kuilenburg (nowadays Culemborg) before he settled in Amsterdam. Strange thing is he seems to have mentioned he come from a important family. The name Friis (or Fries) is in the Netherlans not a usual name. It sounds like "de Vries" which is the northern part of the Netherlands, but there are no signs of noble families in the Netherlands with this name, but in Denmark it is. Maybe there is the connection I am looking for? Has anybody have an idea?

 

2. Matthijs Lourens, born appr. 1720 Drobak (Norway), died in Amsterdam (Netherlands) in 1795. He married in Amsterdam 14-11-1749:

3. Anna Sweeris, born appr. 1721 Kristiansand (Norway) and died in Amsterdam as well in 1784. They have at least 4 children.

 

This couple came from Norway but i couldn't find there baptism records. I do admit my Norwegian is poor (does not exist at all to be honoust) but it looks like there are no books of mentioned places. Can anybody help me?

 

Thanks in advance, Fred Boer

 

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Grethe Flood

Here is the birth and baptism record of 13 February 1805 from Strømsø for Marie Magdalene, daughter of cox/coxswain/quartermaster (Norwegian: styrmann) Niels Clausen Frise and his wife Anne Cathrine Tøger:

 

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb/dp/person/pd00000005008269

 

Source information: Buskerud county, Strømsø, Parish register (official) nr. I 10 (1792-1822), Birth and baptism records 1805, page 67. 
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8468&idx_id=8468&uid=ny&idx_side=-70
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061219640251.jpg

 

Source information: Buskerud county, Strømsø, Best man´s statements nr. 1 (1752-1815), Best man´s statements 1802, page 114. 

Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8467&idx_id=8467&uid=ny&idx_side=-114
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061219640151.jpg

 

I can see from both the birth and baptism record and the best man's statements record, that Niels Friis has a patronymic Clausen, which should indicate that he is the son of a Claus Friis.... It is said that Niels is from Holland. I also notice that Anne Cathrine is called Holm i 1802 and that she is the daughter of Thøger Larsen. 


Here is the death and burial record for Niels Friis - cause of death was cholera

 

Source information: Buskerud county, Strømsø, Parish register (official) nr. I 14 (1848-1858), Death and burial records 1853, page 302. 
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1137&idx_id=1137&uid=ny&idx_side=-303
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051109050678.jpg

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Fred H. Boer

Thanks for your help so far! The death of Niels was known but i did not have the written copy of it, thats great.

I do not agree with the idea of Claussen as a patronim to be honoust. In this family from Niels and Anna 3 boys were born: Toger Olavussen (1802), Michael Borle (1809) and Christian Claussen (1811). Neither of the 3 boys their second name is a patronim. Olavussen and Claus I have seen on the part of Anna's family.

As i mentioned Niels has indicated he was from a good family, reason for me to believe the second names are all names from family members from a generation before Niels. But that is a assumption of my part! The name Borle (in Amsterdam once mentioned Borlie) sounds weird to me as well.

 

Would be great to find anything with mentioned his parents.

 

Are their kirkebooks from Kristiansand and Drobak?

 

Thanks for your big help so far.

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Grethe Flood

In 1545 the Norwegian vicar and author Peder Claussøn Friis was born in Egersund, Rogaland county. Peder was son of Niculas (Claus) Torolfssøn Friss, and this is one example of the use of patrynomic. I do not know anything about Dutch traditions concerning names, so I might be wrong when I suggest that Niels Claussen Friis is the son of some Claus/Niculas. 

 

Tøger Olavussen, 1802

Buskerud county, Strømsø, Parish register (official) nr. I 10 (1792-1822), Birth and baptism records 1802, page 55. 
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8468&idx_id=8468&uid=ny&idx_side=-58
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061219640239.jpg

 

Michael Borle, 1809 

Source information: Buskerud county, Strømsø, Parish register (official) nr. I 10 (1792-1822), Birth and baptism records 1809, page 86. 
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8468&idx_id=8468&uid=ny&idx_side=-89
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061219640270.jpg

 

Christian Clausen, 1812

Source information: Buskerud county, Strømsø, Parish register (official) nr. I 10 (1792-1822), Birth and baptism records 1809, page 86. 
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8468&idx_id=8468&uid=ny&idx_side=-89
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061219640270.jpg

 

At the Family Search website I have found one Michael Borle Fries, born 1809, who died on 17 April 1878 in Amsterdam:

 

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FN76-BYM

 

His wife/spouse is Catharina Elizabeth Sheepemaker, but I also find this information on the same person:

 

Michael Borle Fries
 

Name: Michael Borle Fries

gender: Male

Wife: Laurentia Jansze

Child: Anna Magdalena Fries

 
Other information in the record of Anna Magdalena Fries
from Netherlands, Deaths and Burials

 

Name: Anna Magdalena Fries

Gender: Female

Death Date: 23 Nov 1845

Death Place: Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

Age: 0

Birth Date: 1845

Father's Name: Michael Borle Fries

Mother's Name: Laurentia Jansze

 

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Grethe Flood

The parish records for Drøbak, Akershus county go back to 1816. In 1823 Drøbak and Frogn was separated from Ås parish, and the parish records for Ås (Aas) go back to 1747,

cf. this survey for parish records, Akerhus county (only in Norwegian):

 

http://www.arkivverket.no/arkivverket/Bruk-av-arkiv/Slekt/Hovedkilder/Kirkeboeker/Soknehistorikk/Akershus

 

The parish records for the city of Kristiansand, Vest-Agder county, go back to 1734, and the eldest parish records was lost in the city fire in 1734. Some funerals and marriages might be found in so called "regnskapsprotokoller" (accounting protocols) for the Domkirken parish, cf.

 

http://www.arkivverket.no/arkivverket/Bruk-av-arkiv/Slekt/Hovedkilder/Kirkeboeker/Soknehistorikk/Vest-Agder


From DIS-Norge slektsforum: http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?t=47940

 

Here is something about the same family at Norway Heritage:

http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5486

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Grethe Flood

I have found another daughter, Mine Christiane, born on 4 June 1806:

 

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb/dp/person/pd00000005009516

 

Here the father's name is written Niels Claesen Friis. Cf:

 

Source information: Buskerud county, Strømsø, Parish register (official) nr. I 10 (1792-1822), Birth and baptism records 1807, page 79. 
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8468&idx_id=8468&uid=ny&idx_side=-82
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061219640263.jpg

 

Cf.: http://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/149721-64347-stromso-baptisms/

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Fred H. Boer

Hello Grethe,

 

Thanks for the addition of the 2nd girl (1807 by the way). The way the people in the Netherlands give their relatives their names is a duplicate of what happened to the families i have found in Norway, when more names where involved. When I look at the names given to the males bij Niels and Anna their is a previous member of the family involved. Only the name Borle gives nothing away, so I start to believe this name comes from the Friis tree?

 

As said is my Norwegian very bad, doesn't exist to be honoust. But a niece found a baptism record of a Niels Friis and we were both interested if this is "our" Niels. It's the first written on the page. Can you help us there? http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=56&uid=369924&urnread_imagesize=medium&hode=nei&ls=1&lc=x%259CK%25B42%25B2%25AA.%25B62%25B4R%25CAT%25B2.%25B62%25B1R%25B2013%25031%2581B%25C5J%25D6%2599V%25A6f%25D6%25B5%2500%25C0U%2509%25C5

 

By the way, the family tree is on the internet, and the Norwegian files starts at number 38 and after numbers 76 and 77 there starts the second part of the other Norwegian members 158 and 159.  link: http://home.kpn.nl/duifjes2/kwartier.htm

 

 

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Grethe Flood

Sorry, but I cannot read the attached link in entry 9. What does it contain? Is it a birth and baptism record from any Norwegian church book/parish register?

 

 

Grethe 

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Fred H. Boer

It is. I did want to add a photo to the text but that looks not possible. So I tried the link but it failed as well. It is the baptism from Stromso on page 52 on the left side the first notice and it's in the records from 1752-1791. Hard to read for a regular dutch :-)

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Grethe Flood

It is. I did want to add a photo to the text but that looks not possible. So I tried the link but it failed as well. It is the baptism from Stromso on page 52 on the left side the first notice and it's in the records from 1752-1791. Hard to read for a regular dutch :-)

 

Is it this baptism record from 31 June 1773? Then it's the baptism of a female (= "Pige-Børn", today we would spell it "pikebarn", but in the 18th and 19th century Danish was the official written language in Norway). The child's name is DORTHE and her parents are Niels Clausen and Anne Andersdatter. Sponors are Malene, Ole Hegg's wife, and Inger Marie Peersdatter and Johannes Johnsen and Anders Clausen. 

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By the way, from where do you have the date of birth in 1773 - mentioned in #1. 

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Fred H. Boer

A long time ago I had a contact with a descendant of Niels Friis from Australia and he provided some details I did not have, and i suppose the date of birth also came from him. He was for example very sure of the fact Niels died on his 80th birthday. I myself have never found a date and allways took it fr granted but today, myself and my niece starts to doubt about it. Is there a possibility that Niels did come from Denmark, or: did they wrote Holland and was there a place called Holland somewhere in Denmark or Norway? That kind of questions came up since a few days.

 

Can't come in contact with the person from Australia. I wish I knew what his sources where. Do you know anything about the name Borle or Borlie by the way, it looks very strange.

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Grethe Flood

This is the first time I have seen the name Borle in Norwegian sorces and I regret to inform you that I have no idea why Michael Borle was given this name. I think have seen Borle as a family name in Family Search, but not here in Norway. Since Michael establihed himself in Holland, that might indicate some connection to his father's roots or origin... And when it's written Holland in the parish records, then I cannot think of any place name in Norway. I have seen other people called Friis in Drammen, but I do not know if they have anything to do with Niels Clausen Friis. So at this moment, I am afraid I do not know how we can get any further in our search for the ancestry of Niels Clausen Friis. :unsure:

 

Unless some one in the User's Forum might come up with some bright ideas! :)  

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