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Skifte 1862 Hjelmeland, Gudmund Olsen Skiftun

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Inger Karin Haarbye

Kildeinformasjon: Rogaland fylke, Ryfylke sorenskriveri, Skifteprotokoll 24 , 1861-1870, oppb: Statsarkivet i Stavanger.

Merknader: Register i protokollen.

Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/23909/74/

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-sk20081105640519.jpg

 

Kan noen hjelpe med å tyde deler av dette?

 

Jeg er ikke så interessert i detaljer om fordeling mv. Det jeg spesielt er interessert i er Gudmunds sønn Ole (f. 1801 - gift med Sidsel Jonasdr) og Gudmunds datter Malene (f. 1815 - gift med Jørgen Olsen) - med sine familier/arvinger i USA. De emigrerte til USA allerede i 1850, og flere i familien led en tragisk skjebne under reisen til destinasjonen i Amerika (Kolera). Står det noe om Malenes ektemann Jørgen Olsen, eller er han død? For meg ser det ut til å være veldig lite opplysninger om de som emigrerte?

 

Så vidt jeg vet døde både Ole og Sidsel under ferden i 1850, trolig også Malene. Jørgen kom frem til Wisconsin og bodde der med begge familiers barn i 1850. Oles døtre Anne, Anne og Malene skal være gift i USA før 1862.

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Espen Tjernshaugen

Dette er siste delen av skiftebehandlingen som ble sluttet 30/9-62, det aller beste ville nok vært å funnet åpningen fra 26/5-62 (om den finnes?). Jeg kan ikke se at Amerika er nevnt noen steder. Legger ved navnene fra utlodningen med samme nummerering som i skiftet, har utelatt gårds/slektsnavn. Håper du kan få noe ut av det.

 

(8) Stevboenken Malene Torstensdatter

(9) Myndig sønn Peder Gudmundsen

(10) Myndig sønn Hans Gudmundsen

(11) Datter Marthe Gudmundsdatter gift med Knud Torbjørnsen

Avdød sønn Ole Gudmundsen

(12) Sønn Gudmund Olsen

(13) Datter Anne Olsdatter

(14) (do.?) Anne Olsdatter d. y.

(15) (do.?) Malene Olsdatter

(16*) Avdød datter Malene Gudmundsdatter

(16) Sønn Ole Jørgensen

(17) Sønn Gudmund Jørgensen

(18) Sønn Jørgen Jørgensen

(19) Datter Malene Jørgensdatter

Avdød datter Anne Gudmundsdatters barn

(20) Jørgen Malenius? Johannesen 11 år

(21) Datter Inger? Johanne Johannesdatter 20 år

(22) Anna Johannesdatter 19 år

(23) Anna Malene Johannesdatter 17 år

(29) Grete Malene Johannesdatter 13

(30) Elin Cecilie Johannesdatter 7 år

(31) Anne Johannesdatter d. y. 2 ¼ år

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Inger Karin Haarbye

Tusen takk, Espen, jeg skal kikke etter åpningen 26/5-62, jeg fant skiftet over fra registeret. Jeg så heller ikke noe om Amerika der, men både Ole Gudmundsens barn (bortsett fra 12, Gudmund) og alle Malene Gudmundsdatters barn reiste til Amerika. (Det står noe jeg tolker som at de var fraværende ved skiftet?)

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Inger Karin Haarbye

Det ser for meg ikke ut til at åpningen finnes i samme bok. For Ryfylke finnes også skifteforhandlingsprotokoller, riktignok ikke med register. For enkelte av områdene i Ryfylke finnes også skifteregistreringsprotokoll, men ikke for "mitt" område. Jeg må tilstå at jeg er nokså uvitende om bruken av disse, kan det tenkes at begynnelsen av skiftet er i en av skifteforhandlingsprotokollene?

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Espen Tjernshaugen

 (Det står noe jeg tolker som at de var fraværende ved skiftet?)

 

Det står noe som kan se ut som frav. etter navnene på nr. 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 og 19, men sikker er jeg ikke.

 

Det ser for meg ikke ut til at åpningen finnes i samme bok. For Ryfylke finnes også skifteforhandlingsprotokoller, riktignok ikke med register. For enkelte av områdene i Ryfylke finnes også skifteregistreringsprotokoll, men ikke for "mitt" område. Jeg må tilstå at jeg er nokså uvitende om bruken av disse, kan det tenkes at begynnelsen av skiftet er i en av skifteforhandlingsprotokollene?

 

Det kan være, det kan også hende det er ført i en protkoll som er gått tapt (det at det ikke finnes skifteregistreringsprotkoll for ditt område kan jo dessverre tyde på nettopp det).

 

Litt på siden og generelt om skifteregistere; jeg har funnet mange nok skifter i diverse skifteprotkoller som ikke har stått i tilhørende register, at jeg nå som regel sjekker skifteprotokollene uansett. Det er som regel overkommelig å bla så lenge innholdet står noenlunde kronologisk innført.

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Inger Karin Haarbye

Takk igjen, Espen...

Jeg må mase litt til :blush: 

 

På de fleste arvingene står det tall om arv - på barnebarna 4.3.20 og 1.2.9 hvilket trolig dreier seg om pengebeløp. På de jeg er aller mest interessert i, nr. 16, 17, 18 og 19 står det ikke noe? Er det noen forklaring på det der?

 

Siste avsnitt i skiftet - handler det om verger?

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Espen Tjernshaugen

Jeg sliter nok også veldig med skrift, forståelse og begreper her, Inger Karin, men f. eks. på nr. 20 står det:

 

Arv ... 2.3.14

og under et ord jeg ikke helt tyder/forstår, mulig Ferlads? 4.5.3

 

Foran denne fordelingen står det noen linjer:

 

Efter [overtagelse] under Skift-

tet skal Kjøbesummen

for Boets [....] tilfalde Ar-

vingerne [Ferlads?]. Kjøbe

summen udgjorde ...

 

Nå har jeg ikke regnet over dette, men det ser ut som om summen av arv og summen ved det mystiske ordet i hver post, når de legges i sammen utgjør den summen som står utenfor disse.

 

Det ser ut til at disse tallene det kan ha noe å gjøre med fordeling av en kjøpesum/verdi å gjøre. Tror det vil være avgjørende for forståelsen å få en riktig tyding og tolking av dette ordet som jeg altså ikke får skikkelig hull på.

 

Verge for myndlingene 13, 14 og 15 foreløpig Gudmund Olsen Skiftun.

Verge for 16, 17, 18 og 19 [Orm?] [Tel..nsen] Aasland.

Verge for myndlingene nr. 20 til ? Ole Olsen Skiftun.

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Inger Karin Haarbye

Takk igjen :)

 

Tror ikke jeg får så mye mer ut av det nå, men jeg ser jo i alle fall hvem som fortsatt er i live i 1862, og det kan antagelig være interessant for nålevende slektninger. Det er en amerikansk "DNA-slektnings" aner, men det er nok ikke her vi har noe felles. De visste lite/ingenting om denne slektsgrenen, fordi guttene var tidlig foreldreløse. Jeg er uansett nesten 100% sikker på at det er riktig familie.

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Takk igjen :)

 

Tror ikke jeg får så mye mer ut av det nå, men jeg ser jo i alle fall hvem som fortsatt er i live i 1862, og det kan antagelig være interessant for nålevende slektninger. Det er en amerikansk "DNA-slektnings" aner, men det er nok ikke her vi har noe felles. De visste lite/ingenting om denne slektsgrenen, fordi guttene var tidlig foreldreløse. Jeg er uansett nesten 100% sikker på at det er riktig familie.

Hei, dette var en gammel post jeg ikke har sett før.

Bare i tilfellet du ikke har sett dette før, her er en spennende familiehistorie skrevet av etterkommere av Malena Olsdtr. Skiftun f.1838.

Teksten dreier seg mye om hennes manns slekt Gubberud fra Valdres, men det står også mye om Malenas eventyrlige liv. Hun overlevde kolera epedemien som tok livet av foreldre like etter ankomsten til Amerika i 1850, hun overlevde uroligheter med indianere, og jeg mener å ha sett at hun var USAs eldste person født i Norge da hun døde i 1931.

http://files.usgwarchives.net/mn/houston/bios/gubberud.txt

 

Se også her: http://www.geni.com/people/Malene-Skiftun/6000000003889084647

 

Jeg er selv oppvokst på Skiftun. Malenes bror Gudmund var bruker etter at resten av familien emigrerte, men han forble barnløs etter 3 ekteskap. Hans nevø Hans Hansen Meland overtok gården, han var også barnløs, og overlot gården til min morfar.

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Inger Karin Haarbye

Hei!

 

Jeg har ikke hørt noe mer fra min "DNA-slektning" siden jeg overbrakte disse opplysningene. Jeg har sett den teksten fra Gubberud, den er en del av bakgrunnen for konklusjonen min om at også moren/søster til Ole - Malene Skiftun - må ha omkommet på turen. De flyttet ut samtidig fra Hjelmeland, så de har trolig også reist på samme båt både Malene og Broren.

 

Jørgen har jeg trolig funnet i US 1850, han er trolig John Oleyson her:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4DG-TRH

 

Merk de 3 sønnene på 12, 7 og 5 år - og tvillingene på 1. Merk også Madline Oleyson, som trolig er foreldreløse Malene Olsdatter Skiftun f. 1838 - som bor med sin onkel Jørgen og fettere/kusiner.

 

I 1857 er det vel trolig Malene som nå er gift med Gilbert Anderson (Gubberud), nå er det trolig 2 av guttene/fettere som bor hos dem: Ole og Gilbert.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4LT-WF4

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Else B. Rustad

og under et ord jeg ikke helt tyder/forstår, mulig Ferlads? 4.5.3

 

 

Ordet som mangler er: forlods, og i setningen Espen viser til, står det at kjøpesummen for boets hus skal tilfalle arvingene forlods, dvs. de skal dele dette på forhånd.

 

http://ordnet.dk/ods/ordbog?select=forlods,2&query=forlods

 

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Inger Karin Haarbye

Takk, Else! Fint å få det korrekt. :)

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I believe the 12 year old Ole recorded in the 1850 census is my great-great-grandfather. Quite sure his Norwegian name was Ole Jørgensen Fosaaen. Also nearly certain that the John Oleyson he and his two brothers are living with at the time, is the former Jørgen Olsen Fosaaen.

 

--NORSK--

Jeg tror at den 12 år gamle Ole som ble spilt i 1850-folketellingen, er min tippoldefar. Ganske sikkert hans norske navn var Ole Jørgensen Fosaaen. Også nesten sikker på at John Oleyson han og hans to brødre lever med på den tiden, er den tidligere Jørgen Olsen Fosaaen.

 

 

On 7/18/2015 at 10:35 AM, Inger Karin Haarbye said:

To!

 

I have not heard anything more from my "DNA relative" since I handed over this information. I have seen the text from Gubberud, it is part of the background for my conclusion that Ole's mother / sister - Malene Skiftun - must have died on the trip. They moved out simultaneously from Hjelmeland, so they probably also traveled on the same boat both Malene and Broren.

 

Jørgen I have probably found in US 1850, he is probably John Oleyson here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4DG-TRH

 

Note the 3 sons of 12, 7 and 5 years - and the twins of 1. Also note Madline Oleyson, who is probably orphaned Malene Olsdatter Skiftun b. 1838 - who lives with her uncle Jørgen and cousins.

 

In 1857, probably Malene is now married to Gilbert Anderson (Gubberud), now there are probably 2 of the boys / cousins living with them: Ole and Gilbert.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4LT-WF4

 

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Inger Karin Haarbye
5 timer siden, NorwegianRoots skrev:

 

I believe the 12 year old Ole recorded in the 1850 census is my great-great-grandfather. Quite sure his Norwegian name was Ole Jørgensen Fosaaen. Also nearly certain that the John Oleyson he and his two brothers are living with at the time, is the former Jørgen Olsen Fosaaen.

 

--NORSK--

Jeg tror at den 12 år gamle Ole som ble spilt i 1850-folketellingen, er min tippoldefar. Ganske sikkert hans norske navn var Ole Jørgensen Fosaaen. Også nesten sikker på at John Oleyson han og hans to brødre lever med på den tiden, er den tidligere Jørgen Olsen Fosaaen.

 

 

 

 

Yes, I found this family from Hjelmeland when I tried to help a DNA match. I could not find how we were related, I have no ancestors from this part of Norway. You are right, John Oleyson is Jørgen Olsen Fosaaen. They emigrated from Norway 1850:

Rogaland fylke, Hjelmeland i Hjelmeland, Ministerialbok nr. A 9 (1846-1860), Inn- og utflyttede 1850, Side 208
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010968
Permanent bildelenke: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010968.jpg

 

 

Please use your full name :)
 

 

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Inger Karin Haarbye

According to Geni, Malene Gudmundsdatter (Jørgen Olsen Fosaaen's wife) is my 8. cousin 4 times removed. If that is right, it might explain the DNA-match (37cM/13cM). Common ancestor would be Jens Larsen Bugge b. ab. 1510. 

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Could you point out where in the link (http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010968.jpg) you see Jørgen Olsen & Malene Gudmundsdatter Fosaaen, and the three boys (Ole, Gudmund & Jørgen)? I cannot see where their names are written on the pages...

 

Also, I have a few questions:

 

1. Do you know of any records of Jørgen Olsen & Malene Gudmundsdatter marriage (when and where) in Norway, presumably Hjelmeland, Rogaland?

 

2. I understand Fossen/Fossane means waterfall(s), so would Fosaaen be an early traditional spelling of fossen/fossane? Also, seems the most likely location is present-day Fossane farm east of Hjelmeland (http://fossane.no/); and Skiftun farm seems to be just north of Hjelmeland, across the water. In any case, the key question is whether Fosaaen would be an earlier spelling of Fossen/Fossane? If so, then I'm more certain Fossane farm is the correct place because it's in Hjelmeland and it also has an adjacent waterfall!

 

3. Do you have any information about whether Ole Jørgensen Fosaaen is the child by birth of both Jørgen/Malene, or was he adopted? Or perhaps he was Malene's child and Jørgen is his stepfather? I know the patronymic (Jørgensen) indicates he is in fact Jørgen's son, but there is a family story that Ole and his brothers were orphaned at young age in Norway (Hardanger district, Hordaland). This story might be wrong. Or maybe it is somewhat correct because of the apparent death of mother Malene shortly before leaving Norway, on the journey, or upon arrival in America (potentially Cholera?). As you noted above, I don't see her in 1850 census, so she didn't make it to America.

 

As to my real name, I would prefer to maintain anonymity (at least for the time being). However, I'm happy to give some background information. Ole Jorgensen Fosaaen (known as Ole Johnson after coming to America) appears to be my great-great-grandfather, Ole F. (Franklin) Johnson who served for the Union in the Civil War, then settled in Kansas afterward, before moving to Washington State.

 

Thanks for your help!!!

 

11 hours ago, Inger Karin Haarbye said:

 

Yes, I found this family from Hjelmeland when I tried to help a DNA match. I could not find how we were related, I have no ancestors from this part of Norway. You are right, John Oleyson is Jørgen Olsen Fosaaen. They emigrated from Norway 1850:

Rogaland fylke, Hjelmeland i Hjelmeland, Ministerialbok nr. A 9 (1846-1860), Inn- og utflyttede 1850, Side 208
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010968
Permanent bildelenke: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010968.jpg

 

 

Please use your full name 🙂
 

 

 

 

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11 minutter siden, NorwegianRoots skrev:

Could you point out where in the link (http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010968.jpg) you see Jørgen Olsen & Malene Gudmundsdatter Fosaaen, and the three boys (Ole, Gudmund & Jørgen)? I cannot see where their names are written on the pages...

 

Also, I have a few questions:

 

1. Do you know of any records of Jørgen Olsen & Malene Gudmundsdatter marriage (when and where) in Norway, presumably Hjelmeland, Rogaland?

 

2. I understand Fossen/Fossane means waterfall(s), so would Fosaaen be an early traditional spelling of fossen/fossane? Also, seems the most likely location is present-day Fossane farm east of Hjelmeland (http://fossane.no/); and Skiftun farm seems to be just north of Hjelmeland, across the water. In any case, the key question is whether Fosaaen would be an earlier spelling of Fossen/Fossane? If so, then I'm more certain Fossane farm is the correct place because it's in Hjelmeland and it also has an adjacent waterfall!

 

3. Do you have any information about whether Ole Jørgensen Fosaaen is the child by birth of both Jørgen/Malene, or was he adopted? Or perhaps he was Malene's child and Jørgen is his stepfather? I know the patronymic (Jørgensen) indicates he is in fact Jørgen's son, but there is a family story that Ole and his brothers were orphaned at young age in Norway (Hardanger district, Hordaland). This story might be wrong. Or maybe it is somewhat correct because of the apparent death of mother Malene shortly before leaving Norway, on the journey, or upon arrival in America (potentially Cholera?). As you noted above, I don't see her in 1850 census, so she didn't make it to America.

 

As to my real name, I would prefer to maintain anonymity (at least for the time being). However, I'm happy to give some background information. Ole Jorgensen Fosaaen (known as Ole Johnson after coming to America) appears to be my great-great-grandfather, Ole F. (Franklin) Johnson who served for the Union in the Civil War, then settled in Kansas afterward, before moving to Washington State.

 

Thanks for your help!!!

 

 

 

 

#13-19 on right page show the family with children. Next family is Malene's brother - he and his wife died on the jurney, probably from Cholera. Malene died on the journey too.

 

1) #4, he is from Aasland, she is from Shiftun:

Rogaland county, Hjelmeland in Hjelmeland, Parish register (official) no. A 6 (1834-1845), Married 1838, Page 142
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010310
Permanent image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010310.jpg

 

 

2) aa is usually river

 

3) Yes, they are Malenes and Jørgen's children. I will find the church records (baptize) for you.

 

The forum rules (I posted link...) requires full name. That is why all other use full name too :)

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#2 Ole born 11. nov. 1838:

Rogaland county, Hjelmeland in Hjelmeland, Parish register (official) no. A 6 (1834-1845), Born and baptised 1839, Page 29
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010220
Permanent image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010220.jpg

 

 

#47 Gudmund born 12. jul 1843

 

Rogaland county, Hjelmeland in Hjelmeland, Parish register (official) no. A 6 (1834-1845), Born and baptised 1843, Page 56
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010247
Permanent image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010247.jpg

 

#38 Jørgen born 4. jul 1846

 

Rogaland county, Hjelmeland in Hjelmeland, Parish register (official) no. A 9 (1846-1860), Born and baptised 1846, Page 6
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010763
Permanent image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010763.jpg

 

 

#34 and #35 Twins born 19. apr 1849

 

Anna Mallene
Anna Secilia

 

Rogaland county, Hjelmeland in Hjelmeland, Parish register (official) no. A 9 (1846-1860), Born and baptised 1849, Page 23
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010781
Permanent image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010781.jpg

 

 

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Thank you so much for all of this. You have been incredibly helpful, I really appreciate it! As to the family #13-19, so that document is the emigration record that would have been created shortly before their trip to the US? As a corollary, is it possible to figure out the name of the ship they took, when it departed, and from which city/port in Norway? (I will also look into this, so please don't feel obligated as you've already been of great assistance).

 

Then as to Jorgen Olsen & Malene Gudmundsdatter birth/baptism records, would it be possible to find these as well? I can also try looking around Norway digital archive but was just curious if you might be able to locate it since it's hard for me to navigate as a foreigner. 🙂 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Inger Karin Haarbye said:

 

#13-19 on right page show the family with children. Next family is Malene's brother - he and his wife died on the jurney, probably from Cholera. Malene died on the journey too.

 

1) #4, he is from Aasland, she is from Shiftun:

Rogaland county, Hjelmeland in Hjelmeland, Parish register (official) no. A 6 (1834-1845), Married 1838, Page 142
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010310
Permanent image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010310.jpg

 

 

2) aa is usually river

 

3) Yes, they are Malenes and Jørgen's children. I will find the church records (baptize) for you.

 

The forum rules (I posted link...) requires full name. That is why all other use full name too 🙂

 

6 hours ago, Inger Karin Haarbye said:

#2 Ole born 11. nov. 1838:

Rogaland county, Hjelmeland in Hjelmeland, Parish register (official) no. A 6 (1834-1845), Born and baptised 1839, Page 29
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010220
Permanent image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010220.jpg

 

 

#47 Gudmund born 12. jul 1843

 

Rogaland county, Hjelmeland in Hjelmeland, Parish register (official) no. A 6 (1834-1845), Born and baptised 1843, Page 56
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010247
Permanent image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010247.jpg

 

#38 Jørgen born 4. jul 1846

 

Rogaland county, Hjelmeland in Hjelmeland, Parish register (official) no. A 9 (1846-1860), Born and baptised 1846, Page 6
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010763
Permanent image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010763.jpg

 

 

#34 and #35 Twins born 19. apr 1849

 

Anna Mallene
Anna Secilia

 

Rogaland county, Hjelmeland in Hjelmeland, Parish register (official) no. A 9 (1846-1860), Born and baptised 1849, Page 23
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010781
Permanent image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010781.jpg

 

 

 

 

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Inger Karin Haarbye
6 timer siden, S. Jonathan Najmi skrev:

 

Thank you so much for all of this. You have been incredibly helpful, I really appreciate it! As to the family #13-19, so that document is the emigration record that would have been created shortly before their trip to the US? As a corollary, is it possible to figure out the name of the ship they took, when it departed, and from which city/port in Norway? (I will also look into this, so please don't feel obligated as you've already been of great assistance).

 

Then as to Jorgen Olsen & Malene Gudmundsdatter birth/baptism records, would it be possible to find these as well? I can also try looking around Norway digital archive but was just curious if you might be able to locate it since it's hard for me to navigate as a foreigner. 🙂 

 

 

Jørgen #45 baptized Sep 22 1811:

Rogaland fylke, Hjelmeland, Fister, Årdal i Hjelmeland, Ministerialbok nr. A 2 (1799-1816), Fødte og døpte 1811, Side 62-63
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070619620429
Permanent bildelenke: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070619620429.jpg

 

 

Malene #61 baptized Oct. 12 1814:

Rogaland county, Hjelmeland, Fister, Årdal in Hjelmeland, Parish register (official) no. A 2 (1799-1816), Born and baptised 1815, Page 78-79
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070619620437
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Jørgen's parents and siblings in 1801:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058357000137

 

Malene's parents in 1801 (and Gudmund's mother as widow - and her children):

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058357000114

 

Yes, they have probably left early May 1850, it might be difficult to find the name of the ship, but they probably departed from Stavanger. Try http://norwayheritage.com/  

Look at the church record when they left - the family next to Jørgen and Malene, you will find the children #22-#25 (except Sidsela - she died too) living with Jørgen's family in 1850, Anne, Anna and Madline: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4DG-TRH

This is about Ole Johnson's cousin Madline Oleyson, 12 in 1850, she married Gubberud:

http://files.usgwarchives.net/mn/houston/bios/gubberud.txt

Edited by Inger Karin Haarbye

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S. Jonathan Najmi

The only issue I see is that the 1801 Digital Archive links for Jørgen and Malene appear to be the wrong people because it shows Malene Gudmundsdatter as 51 years old in 1801, but she was born about 1814, I think. And for Jørgen Olsen it indicates his age to be 6 in 1801, but he was probably born 1811.

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Inger Karin Haarbye said:

 

Jørgen #45 baptized Sep 22 1811:

Rogaland fylke, Hjelmeland, Fister, Årdal i Hjelmeland, Ministerialbok nr. A 2 (1799-1816), Fødte og døpte 1811, Side 62-63
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070619620429
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Malene #61 baptized Oct. 12 1814:

Rogaland county, Hjelmeland, Fister, Årdal in Hjelmeland, Parish register (official) no. A 2 (1799-1816), Born and baptised 1815, Page 78-79
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070619620437
Permanent image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070619620437.jpg

 

 

Jørgen's parents and siblings in 1801:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058357000137

 

Malene's parents in 1801 (and Gudmund's mother as widow - and her children):

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058357000114

 

Yes, they have probably left early May 1850, it might be difficult to find the name of the ship, but they probably departed from Stavanger. Try http://norwayheritage.com/  

Look at the church record when they left - the family next to Jørgen and Malene, you will find the children #22-#25 (except Sidsela - she died too) living with Jørgen's family in 1850, Anne, Anna and Madline: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4DG-TRH

This is about Ole Johnson's cousin Madline Oleyson, 12 in 1850, she married Gubberud:

http://files.usgwarchives.net/mn/houston/bios/gubberud.txt

 

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Inger Karin Haarbye
4 timer siden, S. Jonathan Najmi skrev:

The only issue I see is that the 1801 Digital Archive links for Jørgen and Malene appear to be the wrong people because it shows Malene Gudmundsdatter as 51 years old in 1801, but she was born about 1814, I think. And for Jørgen Olsen it indicates his age to be 6 in 1801, but he was probably born 1811.

 

 

 

 

 

Malene Gudmundsdatter 51 is Gudmund Olsen's mother - Malene Gudmundsdatter f. 1814's grandmother. 

Jørgen Olsen 6 is Jørgen f. 1811's brother. he might have died before next Jørgen was born.,

 

007 and 008 are Malene f. 1814's parents. They are married, but don't have children (yet). They live with Gudmund's siblings and mother.

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