Frich- Learmund- Delange- Von Erpecom- Finlas family relationship

[Andrea]

Hello,

 

I am trying to understand the family relationships I have pieced together between your forum and my own research on Ancestry.com. Unfortunately I don't speak Norweigan, however I have access to "Google Translate".  From what I could follow on the discussion of "the delogobe letters" I see Cathrine Learmund ( daughter of Willum Learmund and Karen Robertsdatter) marries Jacob Davidsen Frich. From the baptism records I see familys: Delange, Learmund, Frich, Finas, and Von Erpecoms occur frequently together. Ancestry.com shows a marriage in 1728 between William Learmonth and Catherine Delange. I am uncertain if this is the William from Edinburgh of perhaps his son?  My research has gotten a bit confused . I would appreciate any guidance.  I discovered I am  a descendent of the Frich family line-  surname Jobsen.  Thank you for the access to your forum. It has been very informative.

 

Kind Regards,

Andrea

[JanMKeus]

Why!
I have been working with the Van Erpecoms. In what way are you related to these?

JanM

[Andrea]

When looking at the baptism certificates from the Frich family, I often see members of  the Van Erpecom, De Lange , and Learmund families appear as sponsors. It was my understanding that the sponsors at a baptism are often family members. There was a marriage between Cathrine Learmund and Jacob Davisdon Frich which would explain the Learmund family name as sponsors. I was wondering what the relationship between the Frich family and the other family surnames- such as the DeLange family and the Van Erpecom family.

 

Best,

Andrea

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Endret Desember 28, 2014 av Andrea

[Lars.O.Wangensteen]

I have sent you a private message where you will find a link to download the book "The pedigree of Legatfamiljen Meyer" from 1871, where is the name Erpecom mentioned 33 times, 13 times Lange, Frich 13 times and also Lærmond

[Leif Salicath]

Catharina Willumsdatter Leermouth born 5th jan. 1673, buried 1st jun. 1746 married 9th mar. 1710 with skipper Jacob Davidsen Frich c1680 - buried 23th mar. 1733.

 

His only son David 1711-1801 married 1737 to Anna Margrethe de Rytter had several sons, one of them was Job  1748-1824 who married Pauline Cathrine Meyer. Job also had a child Job with Sophia Hedevig Hockersen. Can be seen in the churchbook of Askøy below.

 

One of the sons with children, Paul Meyer Frich 1788-1836 married Chatarina Sommer. Two known children, Waldemar 1827-1875 married to Marie Phaff and Marie 1833- married to J. Albert Overgaard. 

 

The other son Job Jobsen Frich 1786-1867 (mother Sophia Hedevig Hockersen) born in Askøy http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8601&idx_id=8601&uid=ny&idx_side=-171 married Karen Marie Svensdatter 1795-bef.1822 in Arendal and 2) in 1825 to Maren Christine Mengsel.

 

These are the only two Job Frich I knew.

 

 

Endret Desember 29, 2014 av Leif Salicath

[Andrea]

Catharina Willumsdatter Leermouth born 5th jan. 1673, buried 1st jun. 1746 married 9th mar. 1710 with skipper Jacob Davidsen Frich c1680 - buried 23th mar. 1733.

 

His only son David 1711-1801 married 1737 to Anna Margrethe de Rytter had several sons, one of them was Job  1748-1824 who married Pauline Cathrine Meyer. Job also had a child Job with Sophia Hedevig Hockersen. Can be seen in the churchbook of Askøy below.

 

One of the sons with children, Paul Meyer Frich 1788-1836 married Chatarina Sommer. Two known children, Waldemar 1827-1875 married to Marie Phaff and Marie 1833- married to J. Albert Overgaard. 

 

The other son Job Jobs Frich 1786-1867 (mother Sophia Hedevig Hockersen) born in Askøy  http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8601&idx_id=8601&uid=ny&idx_side=-171 married Karen Marie Svensdatter 1795-bef. 1822 in Arendal and 2) in 1825 two Maren Christine Mengsel.

 

These are the only two Job Frich I knew.

My mistake must begin with the other son Job Jobsen Frich, Eventually I show him related to my 2nd grandfather Nils Jobsen. Nils Jobsen (Jan 3 1847- Jan 24 1898) and his wife Kaja Helene Johnsen (1861- 1894 NYC) are confirmed by oral family history. I will check all the sources and re- work the family tree from that point and see where the journey leads me.

Thank you,

Andrea

[Leif Salicath]

You find Job Frich in Arendal mentioned several places:

 

http://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/135831-50395-hvem-var-job-frich-foedt-ca-1786/?hl=%2B50395#entry1119801

 

http://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/151947-66581-forsvunnet-til-kristiania-midt-paa-1800-tallet/

 

http://issuu.com/permartin/docs/merd___den_gamle_uthavna

 

http://arendalhistorielag.no/bokutgivelser/innholdsfortegnelse-fra-tidligere-utgivelser/

 

http://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/151947-66581-forsvunnet-til-kristiania-midt-paa-1800-tallet/

 

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.jobson/115/mb.ashx

 

http://www.aaks.no/media/19488/Austarheim.pdf

Here you find a lot of Jobs family.

 

https://www.google.no/search?q=nils+jobsen+caleb&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=7JWiVK2uJ8PnygP5xoHwDQ

 

As you will see Job Frich had an important role in a sea battle.  In the old thread three of his daughters is mentioned:

 

Karen Marie Jobsdatter Frich born 8th Mar. 1820 - moved to Christiania in 1848.  Married 29th nov 1850 in Christiania to Bernhard Christiansen

 

Anne Serine Jobsdatter Frich born 10th apr 1821 - moved to Christiania in 1861. Married 2nd jan 1862 to Olaus Enersen.

 

Christine Jobsdatter Frich born 15th jun 1822 - moved to Christiania in 1846. Married 10th des 1850 to Christian August Knudsen. Two sons.

 

In the churchbook:

 

Friderich Jobsen Frich born about 1815 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9845&

idx_id=9845&uid=ny&idx_side=-128  mother mentioned Sørensdatter - not Svensdatter. She is found here with her parents http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01058325001442

 

Søren Martinius Jobsen Frich born 1814 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9845&idx_id=9845&uid=ny&idx_side=-120

 

Oline Mathilde Jobsdatter Frich born about 1818 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9845&idx_id=9845&uid=ny&idx_side=-143

 

Karen Marie Jobsdatter Frich also mentioned here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9845&idx_id=9845&uid=ny&idx_side=-150

 

Anne Serine Jobsdatter Frich here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9845&idx_id=9845&uid=ny&idx_side=-154

 

Christine Jobsdatter Frich here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=827&idx_id=827&uid=ny&idx_side=-98

 

Marthe Jobsdatter Frich http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=827&idx_id=827&uid=ny&idx_side=-115

Mother Maren Kirstine Gulbrandsdatter (Mengsel).

 

Tønnes Michael Jobsen Frich http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=827&idx_id=827&uid=ny&idx_side=-130 Mother Maren Kirstine Gulbrandsdatter (Mengsel).

 

Cathrine Amalie Jobsdatter Frich http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=827&idx_id=827&uid=ny&idx_side=-141

 

Tobine Kirstine Jobsdatter Frich http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9846&idx_id=9846&uid=ny&idx_side=-128

 

Wilhelm Juell Jobsen Frich http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9846&idx_id=9846&uid=ny&idx_side=-137

 

Christian Edvard Molberg Jobsen Frich http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9846&idx_id=9846&uid=ny&idx_side=-148

 

If you search for the children you find that some of them use the name Jobsen (look in 1865 and later).  Several of the sons are skipper or styrmenn.

 

Daniel (Jobsen) Frich, tolloppsynsmann is the son of Gustav Meidell Jobsen Frich http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036557002971

 

Much more here http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/sok/1910?f[]=09&k[]=0901&k[]=0902&k[]=0903&k[]=0904&k[]=0905&k[]=0911&k[]=0912&k[]=0913&k[]=0914&k[]=0915&k[]=0916&k[]=0918&k[]=0919&k[]=0920&k[]=0921&k[]=0922&k[]=0923&k[]=0924&k[]=0925&k[]=0926&k[]=0927&k[]=0928&k[]=0929&k[]=0930&k[]=0931&k[]=0932&k[]=0933&k[]=0934&k[]=0935&k[]=0936&k[]=0937&k[]=0938&k[]=0940&k[]=0941&fornavn=&etternavn=jobsen&kjonn=&familiestilling=&sivilstand=&yrke=&fodselsaar=&fodested=&alder=&ny_husholdning=&bostatus=&sedvanlig_bosted=&antatt_oppholdssted=&statsborgerskap=&trossamfunn=&bygning_for_natteopphold=&arbeidsledig=&etnisitet=&spraak=&merknader=&utflyttingsaar=&tilbakeflyttingsaar=&bosted_i_norge=&bosted_i_amerika=&stilling_i_amerika=&merknader_amerika=&type=person&bosted=&gaardsnummer=&bruksnummer=&gaardseier=&hustype=&beliggenhet=&etasje=

 

Nils Jobsen 1846- is son of Friderich Jobsen Frich http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038161008054

 

Nils Jobsen emigrated to New York http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000000281026

 

Job Frich was not married to Job Jobsen Frichs mother. Job Jobsen Frich was baptised 9th okt.1786 just before his half sister Anne Margrethe Jobsdatter Frich 29th okt.1786.

 

 

 

 

Endret Desember 30, 2014 av Leif Salicath

[Leif Salicath]

Hallo again Andrea.

 

Because my grandmother was a Frich I have great interest in the family and put out a thread in DIS No on Niels Jobsen.  There you can see much interesting stuff http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?p=659471#659471

 

I can add another son to Job Jobsen Frich.  Johan Peder Jobsen is born in 1827 married to Maren Halvorsen and had a son Fredrik Anton Jobsen in 1879 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6161&idx_id=6161&uid=ny&idx_side=-16 . May be also a son Johan born in 1874.

Endret Desember 31, 2014 av Leif Salicath

[Andrea]

Hallo again Andrea.

 

Because my grandmother was a Frich I have great interest in the family and put out a thread in DIS No on Niels Jobsen.  There you can see much interesting stuff http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?p=659471#659471

 

I can add another son to Job Jobsen Frich.  Johan Peder Jobsen is born in 1827 married to Maren Halvorsen and had a son Fredrik Anton Jobsen in 1879 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6161&idx_id=6161&uid=ny&idx_side=-16 . May be also a son Johan born in 1874.

Happy New Year!

Thank you for responding. I see I have my work cut out for me this year, so many new things to review. Thank you for providing the research links. I really appreciate the help and do enjoy reading all the posts on the forum.

 

Sincerely,

Andrea

[Mary]

Well, I am very late to this thread!

 

Andrea, we are on the same branch. Niels Jobsen and Kaia Johnsen Jobsen are my great-great-grandparents -- through their daughter, Anna Kristine Jobson.

 

- Mary