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Andrea McDonald

I do not even know if I selected the correct forum as I am very far removed from my Norwegian heritage, so I have no understanding of the language. I am working on the family tree and have hit a dead end on the branch of the family we were most interested in researching. I am trying to find information on Andrine Pedersdatter Thokle. I found her listed in the church book of Grytten Parish for the birth of her son Kristian (document ID: pd00000013259723, listed on row 19). The father is Knud Vebjørnsen Remen. From the document I have determined they were unmarried, but a few of the columns are unclear to me. There are a few names listed under (sorry if I get the letters wrong) "Gaddered fulde Ravn." I am not sure if those names are relatives, or witnesses? Also, there is something written in the column "DM uaegte Born, of hvem Dpgaven er fleet", it is written in very cramped cursive, so difficult to read, but maybe "Opg---- of Barne moderen". I am trying to determine who her parents were in order to continue adding branches to her tree. If anyone has any suggestions as to where to turn next, please let me know!

Kristian Birth Record.JPG

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Andrea McDonald

Done. Andrea McDonald (maiden name-Nomeland)

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1 time siden, Andrea McDonald skrev:

"Gaddered fulde Ravn."

"Faddernes fulde Navn" = names of witnesses

 

1 time siden, Andrea McDonald skrev:

"DM uaegte Born, of hvem Dpgaven er fleet",

"Om uægte Barn, af hvem Opgaven er skeet" (If born out of wedlock, who reported the birth)

"Opgivet af Barnemoderen" Reported by the childs mother

 

You did very well 😊

 

 

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Kjell Halvorsen
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Hi Andrea,

 

According to the Census 1875 Andrine Pederdatter and son Christian were living at farm Remmen of Grytten . Her year of birth was given as 1844, born at Heen annex to  Grytten parish.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1875&knr=1539&kenr=008&bnr=0037&lnr=00

 

Andrine was born 12 Feb and christened 29 Feb 1844 - # 2 at page 123 - and her parents were Eli Andersdatter Heen and Peder Olsen Heen. They were not married !

 

Møre og Romsdal county, Hen in Grytten, Parish register (official) no. 545A01 (1818-1853), Born and baptised 1844, Page 122-123Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070820650068

Kjell H

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1 minute ago, Kjell Halvorsen said:

Hi Andrea,

 

According to the Census 1875 Andrine Pederdatter and son Christian were living at farm Remmen of Grytten . Her year of birth was given as 1844, born at Heen annex to  Grytten parish.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1875&knr=1539&kenr=008&bnr=0037&lnr=00

 

Andrine was born 12 Feb and christened 29 Feb 1844 - # 2 at page 123 - and her parents were Eli Andersdatter Heen and Peder Olsen Heen. They were not married !

 

Møre og Romsdal county, Hen in Grytten, Parish register (official) no. 545A01 (1818-1853), Born and baptised 1844, Page 122-123

Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070820650068

 

Kjell H

It looks like giving birth out of wedlock is a family tradition! 🙂 

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Carl-Henry Geschwind

As for Knud Vebjørnsen, the baby-daddy, he was living at Remen in 1865 with his parents and helping out his father, who owned a farm there. See 1865 census at: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038293001626

 

In 1910 he was living as a farmer way up in northern Norway, with a wife and a bunch of kids (first born in 1879). From the 1910 census it appears he had been born in Grytten 10 Feb 1848. See https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036939007625

 

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In 1865 Andrine's father Peder Olsen was a land-owning farmer at Kolflot in Heen, and Andrine was living with him. Peder by this time had become married, and Andrine had 4 half-siblings also living at the farm. The census indicates that Peder was 45 years old, thus born about 1820. See https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038293001609

 

That this is the same as your Andrine Pedersdatter Thokle is shown by two church-book entries concerning her daughter Pauline. According to the "klokkerbok" (sacristan's book, essentially a second copy of the church books), Pauline (baptised 18 Feb 1877) was the illegitimate child of Andrine Pedersdatter Thokle and Roe Nielsen Grøvdahl (see transcript at https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000013260861). But according to the minister's book, this same Pauline (baptised 18 Feb 1877) was the illegitimate child of Roe Nielsen Grøvdahl and Andrine Pedersdatter of Kolflot (see transcript at https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000003130571). Incidentally, the comment ("merknader") at the very bottom of this transcript notes that this was the fourth time Andrine had been caught in "sin" ("leiermal") and only the first time for Roe.

 

Peder Olsen died 27 Aug 1894 at age 73 while a widower and retired farmer living at Kolflot (or Kaalflaat). See transcript of burial record at https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000002245381

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Andrea McDonald

Thank you all! You have been so helpful. I've gotten more information from you in a few hours than I had gotten in days of trying to dig through it on my own. Not speaking the language has been a major problem. I've made it further back in the family tree than I ever thought I would.

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Olaf Larsen
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11 timer siden, Andrea McDonald skrev:

It looks like giving birth out of wedlock is a family tradition

Haha, you're not alone about that!  😄 Most of us have some ancestors who gave birth to - or were born as, an illegitimate child. I have a lot of them! (I mean my ancestors, not me!)

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