Reverand Thore Olson Wold b. 9-30-1854 in Trondhjem

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

1 minute ago, Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton said:

So with this " Ole Thoresen Aae and Marit Arntsd. Astad I can infer that Ole was from the Aae farm and that Marit was from the Astad farm

Yes, that is exactly correct.

 

And yes, Norway is very beautiful, but during the 19th century perhaps 40% of the population left, mostly for America - for the same reason that so many Irish left from Ireland. Too many people in a rural country whose farms simply could not support them all.

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

3 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

Do you have her Obituary?

Mary Esther "Marietta" Nash was a tough one to find. Many times on Ancestry they will quote some sort of data base without any images and I am looking for any images but I don't see any so that tells me I must have jotted this down from a data base reference. I have not found an Obit yet. She had two daughters. The Eldest was Ethel and then there is Mabel. If you look on the chart I posted you can see Mabel's info. I rarely come across newspaper obits this far back but I am an novice. I try to check with the Library of Congress for that but they don't have all the newspapers or the dates covered.

https://loc.gov/collections/

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

Yes, that is exactly correct.

 

And yes, Norway is very beautiful, but during the 19th century perhaps 40% of the population left, mostly for America - for the same reason that so many Irish left from Ireland. Too many people in a rural country whose farms simply could not support them all.

Excellent. I have good teachers. Well if 40% left that had to impact so many families. So sad. It wasn't easy for the immigrants either. One struggle for another.

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

13 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

Do you have her Obituary?

Egil I wish I could upload another jpg but it stopped me from it earlier and I think I have maxed out my storage for images here. But I do have a picture of her headstone here is where I found it but you have to have a membership with Ancestry:

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60525&h=97413634&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=tgk1&_phstart=successSource

 

or here:

 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/19571373

[Egil Johannessen]

1 minutt siden, Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton skrev:

Egil I wish I could upload another jpg but it stopped me from it earlier and I think I have maxed out my storage for images here. But I do have a picture of her headstone here is where I found it but you have to have a membership with Ancestry:

 

My question was simply if you have her OBIT? If you don't let me know and I'll post it here - if you do - then great 😉

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

No I do not have the obit and would appreciate you posting it here. Thank you. Sorry I misunderstood.

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

4 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

My question was simply if you have her OBIT? If you don't let me know and I'll post it here - if you do - then great 😉

 

Egil are you related to Mary in some way?

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

2 hours ago, Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton said:

Good to know how you spell the daughter at the end of the names. datter. I am trying to read the marriage record. There are numbers that look like ages. Ole may have been 22 yrs old and Marit was 25? So that would make Marit born in about 1822 and Ole born in about 1825?

To extract a bit more information from the marriage record (which is preserved in two places - the church records kept by the priest, and the church records kept by the sacristan/priest's assistant):

 

They were married 4 July 1847. His name was Ole Thoresen Aa (or Aae), age 22 3/4 (so born fall 1824); his father was Thore Olsen Aa/Aae. Her name was Marit Arntsdatter Astad, age 25 3/4 (so born fall 1821); her father was Arnt Torgersen Astad.

[Egil Johannessen]

15 timer siden, Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton skrev:

Egil are you related to Mary in some way?

 

No, I'm just an enthusiastic genealogist genuinely interested in Norwegians in US 😊 

Endret September 6, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

Here's Mary's OBIT

 

The Belvidere Standard (Belvidere, Illinois) 10 Jul 1895, Wednesday, Page 5

Endret September 5, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

A lot of the communities in Norway have local genealogical histories (called "bygdebok" in Norwegian) that detail everyone who lived in that community and how they were related to each other. A lot of these have been digitized, but unfortunately the digital versions are only available to those who have Norwegian IP-addresses (that is, whose computers are located in Norway).

 

It appears that Vold/Vollan is in volume 1 of Sunndalsboka at https://www.nb.no/items/371e77a4b09566a8996303f2e2e9f909. Could someone with a Norwegian IP-address perhaps be so kind as to look up what it has to say about Thore Olsen Vold and his family? We can then translate it into English.

Endret September 5, 2018 av Carl-Henry Geschwind

[Egil Johannessen]

5 minutter siden, Carl-Henry Geschwind skrev:

It appears that Vold/Vollan is in volume 1 of Sunndalsboka at https://www.nb.no/items/371e77a4b09566a8996303f2e2e9f909. Could someone with a Norwegian IP-address perhaps be so kind as to look up what it has to say about Thore Olsen Vold and his family?

 

Volløyen, page 166

[Egil Johannessen]

Småvollan & Knapset, page 148 & 149

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

Deanne:

 

So what the local genealogical history has to say is the following:

 

Your Ole Thoresen (father of Thore Olsen Wold) was the son of Thore (or Tore) Eriksen (born 1781) and Randi Audensdatter (born 1789), who married in 1815. Around 1815 Tore and Randi moved to Voldøyen, which was not the main farm, but rather a cottage on the lands of the farm. Tore and Randi had a total of 8 children, including two sons named Ole who both grew up. Tore died in 1850, and Randi in 1862.

 

Ole Toresen the elder (their second child) occupied the cottage at Voldøyen after his father's death, but then moved away in 1854.

 

Ole Toresen the younger (the sixth child of Tore and Randi, born 1830) in 1854 married Marit Arntsdatter (born about 1821 in Oppdal). They lived at Voldøyen until moving away in the early 1860s (possibly just after Ole's mother Randi died in 1862).

 

See post #57 below for continuation.

 

 

Note: a lot of this information is very different from what we have gotten so far from the church books. It happens sometimes that the local genealogical histories are unreliable; it is possible that that is the case here.

Endret September 5, 2018 av Carl-Henry Geschwind

[Ann-Mary Engum]

13 minutter siden, Egil Johannessen skrev:

 

Volløyen, page 166

 

Om at de skal ha flyttet omkring 1860;

 

Ikke Thore (f 30 sept 1854) ihvertfall,for han ble konfirmert i Sunndal i 1870.

Se #7.

Endret September 5, 2018 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Egil Johannessen]

1 minutt siden, Ann-Mary Engum skrev:

Ikke Thore (f 30 sept 1854) ihvertfall,for han ble konfirmert i Sunndal i 1870.

 

Bodde fortsatt i Sunndal -  se post # 63

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

22 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

Here's Mary's OBIT

 

The Belvidere Standard (Belvidere, Illinois) 10 Jul 1895, Wednesday, Page 5

 

This obit made me cry. It is interesting since both her daughters became teachers. Mabel taught at an Indian Reservation later on. Her son became a teacher. Then one of her grandsons, my husband became a teacher. So the roots with teaching run deep. He will be so thrilled to read this. Right now his school district is just awful and the teachers are on strike going on the second week : (

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

24 minutes ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

A lot of the communities in Norway have local genealogical histories (called "bygdebok" in Norwegian) that detail everyone who lived in that community and how they were related to each other. A lot of these have been digitized, but unfortunately the digital versions are only available to those who have Norwegian IP-addresses (that is, whose computers are located in Norway).

 

It appears that Vold/Vollan is in volume 1 of Sunndalsboka at https://www.nb.no/items/371e77a4b09566a8996303f2e2e9f909. Could someone with a Norwegian IP-address perhaps be so kind as to look up what it has to say about Thore Olsen Vold and his family? We can then translate it into English.

 

Thank you for pointing this out. I had no idea to ask about this.

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

The local history continues:

 

Ole and Marit by the 1870s were living as laborers without land at a place called Småvollen. Ole supported himself with carpentry and other odd jobs. In 1875 [as shown in the census of that year] they had one horse, but no other animals and no crops. Their youngest son Arnt was living with them in 1875, but emigrated to America in 1882. In the spring of 1883 they left for Bardu [possibly the community Bardu far to the north in Norway]; at this time Ole was said to be off and on debilitated by strong drink.

[Egil Johannessen]

9 minutter siden, Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton skrev:

This obit made me cry. It is interesting since both her daughters became teachers. Mabel taught at an Indian Reservation later on. Her son became a teacher. Then one of her grandsons, my husband became a teacher. So the roots with teaching run deep. He will be so thrilled to read this.

 

Yes, it was a wonderful written obit - I'm happy to contribute to your (& your husband's) family history ☺️

Endret September 5, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

Deanne:

 

So what the local genealogical history has to say is the following:

 

Your Ole Thoresen (father of Thore Olsen Wold) was the son of Thore (or Tore) Eriksen (born 1781) and Randi Audensdatter (born 1789), who married in 1815. Around 1815 Tore and Randi moved to Voldøyen, which was not the main farm, but rather a cottage on the lands of the farm. Tore and Randi had a total of 8 children, including two sons named Ole who both grew up. Tore died in 1850, and Randi in 1862.

 

Ole Toresen the elder (their second child) occupied the cottage at Voldøyen after his father's death, but then moved away in 1854.

 

Ole Toresen the younger (the sixth child of Tore and Randi, born 1830) in 1854 married Marit Arntsdatter (born about 1821 in Oppdal). They lived at Voldøyen until moving away in the early 1860s (possibly just after Ole's mother Randi died in 1862).

 

 

Note: a lot of this information is very different from what we have gotten so far from the church books. It happens sometimes that the local genealogical histories are unreliable; it is possible that that is the case here.

 

You got me thinking while reading this. I did come across an old woman who had lived with a younger Thor in the U.S. whose name was Randi. There was also a 3 yr old child by the name of Randi too. I thought this was Thore's mother but it didn't look like Mary Wold so I decided it was the wrong Thore. I need to track that down again. Since Randi is not a common name and I wonder if Randi was a grandmother or something since she was in her 60's and it couldn't be her child and Thore was in his 20's and I thought maybe it was his child from a previous marriage and his mother/grandmother is taking care of the child for him. I have to dig again for the census that shows them all living together some place in the U.S.

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

The local history continues:

 

Ole and Marit by the 1870s were living as laborers without land at a place called Småvollen. Ole supported himself with carpentry and other odd jobs. In 1875 [as shown in the census of that year] they had one horse, but no other animals and no crops. Their youngest son Arnt was living with them in 1875, but emigrated to America in 1882. In the spring of 1883 they left for Bardu [possibly the community Bardu far to the north in Norway]; at this time Ole was said to be off and on debilitated by strong drink.

 

Thank you for translating this information. So they were just getting by barely and not doing well. The sons strike out for America and the father manages his stress thru alcohol. I would have never guessed this type of info would be available. This explains a lot about the dynamics of the family and what pushed them to immigrate. This is great stuff!

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Randi Olsdatter,daugther of Ole Thoresen (the oldest) and Marit Larsdatter married in Bardu 26 sept 1880.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/325/hv00000000153546

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

Deanne:

 

Turns out what we had said earlier about Thore Olsen Wold's parents' marriage in 1847 (i.e., Ole Thoresen Aae marrying Marit Arntsdatter Astad in 1847) was for the wrong Ole Thoresen and Marit Arntsdatter.

 

Here is the correct marriage record: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/2398/263 (#19).

 

What it says: 23 Oct [1854], bachelor [and an occupation I cannot read] Ole Thoresen Voldøien, born at Voldøien in Sunndal, age 24 1/2 years, marries Marit Arntsdatter Morken, born at Morken [in Oppdal community in Sør-Trondelag county], age 33 1/2 years. His father is Thore Eriksen, her father is Arnt Andreasen.

 

So the local genealogical history got this right.

 

Also note that Thore Olsen was born 30 September - before the parents were married (but after they had first posted banns for their wedding on 10 September).

Endret September 5, 2018 av Carl-Henry Geschwind

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

Deanne:

 

Turns out what we had said earlier about Thore Olsen Wold's parents' marriage in 1847 (i.e., Ole Thoresen Aae marrying Marit Arntsdatter Astad in 1847) was for the wrong Ole Thoresen and Marit Arntsdatter.

 

Here is the correct marriage record: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/2398/263 (#19).

 

What it says: 23 Oct [1854], bachelor [and an occupation I cannot read] Ole Thoresen Voldøien, born at Voldøien in Sunndal, age 24 1/2 years, marries Marit Arntsdatter Morken, born at Morken [in Oppdal community in Sør-Trondelag county], age 33 1/2 years. His father is Thore Eriksen, her father is Arnt Andreasen.

 

So the local genealogical history got this right.

 

Also note that Thore Olsen was born 30 September - before the parents were married (but after they had first posted banns for their wedding on 10 September).

 

Ok then I shall go with this Ole.

 

Here is a census of 1886 where I see an Thor with it looks like his grandmother Randi along with a small 3 yr old child who is also named Randi. Page two show the child. Did grandmother Randi end up leaving Norway with Thor or going there later? Again I just tried to upload a jpg of 400ish kb and it would not take. Is there a work around for being able to load up documents?