Reverand Thore Olson Wold b. 9-30-1854 in Trondhjem

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

The local genealogy said that Ole Thoresen (the younger) and Marit Arntsdatter might have been in Oppdal (where she was from) between the time they left Voldsøyen in the early 1860s and the time they arrived at Småvollan in Sunndal in the early 1870s.

 

I have found them in the 1865 census in Oppdal, at a place called Klæthammer (see https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038318001983). Present are Ole Thoresen, wife Marit Arntsdatter, and children Rannei Olsdatter (born c. 1855) and Arnt Olsen. Their oldest child Thore Olsen is not with them. As Ann-Mary already discovered, in 1865 he was living as a fosterchild back in Sunndal.

[Egil Johannessen]

4 timer siden, Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton skrev:

He moved from Canada and the U.S. a lot and at this time he could have been an itinerant minister so it makes it kind of hard to track down when he officially immigrated to the U.S. or Canada. I am not sure he was a minister before he came to the U.S.

 

General catalogue of the Baptist Thelogical Seminary, Morgan Park, Ill. - https://archive.org/stream/generalcatalogue00pric#page/120/search/"thore+olsen+wold"
by Price, Ira Maurice, 1856-1939
Publication date 1892

page 120

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

5 minutes ago, Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton said:

Did grandmother Randi end up leaving Norway with Thor or going there later?

 

Thore Olsen's grandmother Randi was born 1789 and, according to the local genealogical history, died at Voldsøyen in 1862 (when Thore was only 8, long before he emigrated). However, the name (which may be spelled in various ways, such as Rennie or Rannei) occurs elsewhere in the family as well - both of the Ole Thoresens had daughters named Rannei/Rennie, and there may be a Randi born in the 1820s floating around somewhere in the family as well.

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

The local genealogy said that Ole Thoresen (the younger) and Marit Arntsdatter might have been in Oppdal (where she was from) between the time they left Voldsøyen in the early 1860s and the time they arrived at Småvollan in Sunndal in the early 1870s.

 

I have found them in the 1865 census in Oppdal, at a place called Klæthammer (see https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038318001983). Present are Ole Thoresen, wife Marit Arntsdatter, and children Rannei Olsdatter (born c. 1855) and Arnt Olsen. Their oldest child Thore Olsen is not with them. As Ann-Mary already discovered, in 1865 he was living as a fosterchild back in Sunndal.

 

I missed that part where Thore was a foster child! I wonder how that happened? So is this the same Ole that drank? If so maybe Thore didn't tolerate that well and moved in with another family?

 

So was my Thore born in Voldojen, Sunndal, More OG Romsdal, Norway?

 

So if I understand you correctly . . .

Ole Thoresen Voldoien

b. 1824 Voldoien, Sunndal, Norway

m. 10-23-1854 Oppdal, Sor-Trondelag County, Norway

d. ?

 

Marit Arntsdatter Morken

b. 1821 Morken, Norway

m. 10-23-1854 Oppdal, Sor-Trondelag County, Norway

d. ?

 

Thore was a Baptist minister. His daughters, Mabel and her sister Ethel, were not allowed to play cards or drink. They were very strict is what we heard from Mabel's daughters. I now get why Thore was overly protective of his family. His family in Norway was splintered from the sounds of it.

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

1 minute ago, Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton said:

So was my Thore born in Voldojen, Sunndal, More OG Romsdal, Norway?

 

So if I understand you correctly . . .

Ole Thoresen Voldoien

b. 1824 Voldoien, Sunndal, Norway

m. 10-23-1854 Oppdal, Sor-Trondelag County, Norway

d. ?

 

Marit Arntsdatter Morken

b. 1821 Morken, Norway

m. 10-23-1854 Oppdal, Sor-Trondelag County, Norway

d. ?

Yes, the only thing that needs to be changed is that Ole Thoresen was born in 1830 (yup, he married a significantly older woman).

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

13 minutes ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

 

Thore Olsen's grandmother Randi was born 1789 and, according to the local genealogical history, died at Voldsøyen in 1862 (when Thore was only 8, long before he emigrated). However, the name (which may be spelled in various ways, such as Rennie or Rannei) occurs elsewhere in the family as well - both of the Ole Thoresens had daughters named Rannei/Rennie, and there may be a Randi born in the 1820s floating around somewhere in the family as well.

 

Ok then that answers that question so it must be another Thore and Randi I am seeing in the census. It just struck me as odd to have a grandmother, grandson and great grandson living together without any others.

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

18 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

General catalogue of the Baptist Thelogical Seminary, Morgan Park, Ill. - https://archive.org/stream/generalcatalogue00pric#page/120/search/"thore+olsen+wold"
by Price, Ira Maurice, 1856-1939
Publication date 1892

page 120

 

So if I read this correctly Thore was teaching in Churches in Norway. Then came to the U.S. and got a degree and then ordained in the U.S. Yes he kept crossing the U.S. and Canadian border and owned land in Canada and sold it.

[Egil Johannessen]

23 RESULTS when searching "thore olsen wold" - https://archive.org/search.php?query="thore olsen wold"&sin=TXT

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Ole Fredvold,Thore Fredvold,Anna Fredvold,Arnt Fredvold.

 

 

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=utvmaaba&gardpostnr=320&merk=320#ovre

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

10 minutes ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

Yes, the only thing that needs to be changed is that Ole Thoresen was born in 1830 (yup, he married a significantly older woman).

 

Ha ha. I say go younger if it works : )

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Emigration 1883.

 from Trondheim.

Ole Tretvold,Thore Tretvold,Arnt Tretvold,Anna Tretvold.

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=36346&merk=36346#ovre

Endret September 5, 2018 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

Just now, Ann-Mary Engum said:

Emigration 1883. 

 So what Ann-Mary is showing in this entry is that Thore emigrated together with his father, his brother Arnt, and Arnt's wife Anna in 1883 from Bardu (in northern Norway) via Trondhjem for Ferguson Falls, MN.

[Egil Johannessen]

8 RESULTS when searching "rev t o wold" - https://archive.org/search.php?query="rev t o wold"&sin=TXT

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

9 minutes ago, Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton said:

So if I read this correctly Thore was teaching in Churches in Norway. Then came to the U.S. and got a degree and then ordained in the U.S.

 

What would interest me is how he became a Baptist. The state church in Norway was Lutheran, and you were most definitely in the minority if you were anything other than Lutheran. Did he originally train as a Lutheran minister in Norway and then become Baptist once he reached the U.S., or did he train at a dissenting seminary in Norway and decided he needed to emigrate to exercise his faith properly?

[Egil Johannessen]

2 minutter siden, Carl-Henry Geschwind skrev:

What would interest me is how he became a Baptist. The state church in Norway was Lutheran, and you were most definitely in the minority if you were anything other than Lutheran. Did he originally train as a Lutheran minister in Norway and then become Baptist once he reached the U.S., or did he train at a dissenting seminary in Norway and decided he needed to emigrate to exercise his faith properly?

 

See post # 77

Endret September 5, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

4 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

23 RESULTS when searching "thore olsen wold" - https://archive.org/search.php?query="thore olsen wold"&sin=TXT

 

Oh my gosh. You know Chicago was a big place at the time and well Thore was very ambitious to take this on. This is where he must have met Mary Nash who was also very involved in teaching. What a team those two made.

 

I have to say when I saw your name Egil, the first thing that came to mind is an ancestor I have who was Egill Skallagrimsson who supposedly had the head the shape of an eggplant and was a really bad ass viking and just plan crazy I think. They think they found his grave about two years ago:

 

https://redice.tv/news/the-grave-of-viking-egill-skallagrimsson-found-the-mosfell-archaeology-project-in-iceland

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

20 minutes ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

Yes, the only thing that needs to be changed is that Ole Thoresen was born in 1830

 

Here is the baptismal record for Ole Thoresen: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/17016/23, #5

 

Born 29 March 1830 at Voldøyen to Thore Voldøyen and his wife Rennie Audensdatter [remember, spelling could be very erratic at this time], baptised 9 May 1830.

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

And here is the baptismal record for Thore Olsen's mother Marit Arntsdatter Morken: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/16215/6, #20

 

Marithe [which is how they spelled it here] was born 13 April 1821 at Morken, Oppdal parish, Sor-Trondelag county, Norway, to farmer Arnt Andreasen Morken and wife Marithe Rasmusdatter. Baptised 11 June 1821.

[Egil Johannessen]

42 minutter siden, Ann-Mary Engum skrev:

Emigration 1883.

 from Trondheim.

Ole Tretvold,Thore Tretvold,Arnt Tretvold,Anna Tretvold.

 

Looks like they arrived 30th May 1883. Surnames are transcribed as Tratoold at Ancestry - Ole (father) -  Link Ancestry

 

Thore just listed with first letter of his first name, transcribed as G but is a T - Link Ancestry

The New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name:    Ole Tratoold
Arrival date:    30 May 1883
Birth Date:    abt 1831
Age:    52
Gender:    Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality:    Swedish
Place of Origin:    Sweden
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination:    United States of America
Port of Arrival:    New York, New York
Ship Name:    Pavonia

 

The New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name:    G Tratoold
Arrival date:    30 May 1883
Birth Date:    abt 1855
Age:    28
Gender:    Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality:    Swedish
Place of Origin:    Sweden
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination:    United States of America
Port of Arrival:    New York, New York
Ship Name:    Pavonia

 

The New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name:    A Tratoold
Arrival date:    30 May 1883
Birth Date:    abt 1859
Age:    24
Gender:    Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality:    Swedish
Place of Origin:    Sweden
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination:    United States of America
Port of Arrival:    New York, New York
Ship Name:    Pavonia

 

The New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name:    Anne Tratoold
Arrival date:    30 May 1883
Birth Date:    abt 1863
Age:    20
Gender:    Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality:    Swedish
Place of Origin:    Sweden
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination:    United States of America
Port of Arrival:    New York, New York
Ship Name:    Pavonia

Endret September 5, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

32 minutes ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

 So what Ann-Mary is showing in this entry is that Thore emigrated together with his father, his brother Arnt, and Arnt's wife Anna in 1883 from Bardu (in northern Norway) via Trondhjem for Ferguson Falls, MN.

 

So Thore is able to put aside the fact he ended up in a foster home and reunites with his father and brother and his brother's wife and all four of them immigrated together. This is a good way to come with others and not alone. So the mother must had already passed. They came from humble Norwegian beginnings and made their way to the U.S. and didn't give up on each other and everything else. I wonder if Thore actually apprenticed with a minister in Norway as a young boy and that is what got him to become a minister? Maybe at a young age he moved in with a minister and helped out to learn about it? I wonder why he was in a foster home when his siblings were at home. This is the only thing I can come up with. The fact they all immigrate together tells me that maybe there is more to this foster thing than it seems. 

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

11 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

Looks like they arrived 30th May 1883. Surnames are transcribed as Tratoold at Ancestry - Ole (father) -  Link Ancestry

 

Thore just listed with first letter of his first name, transcribed as G but is a T - Link Ancestry

The New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name:    Ole Tratoold
Arrival date:    30 May 1883
Birth Date:    abt 1831
Age:    52
Gender:    Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality:    Swedish
Place of Origin:    Sweden
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination:    United States of America
Port of Arrival:    New York, New York
Ship Name:    Pavonia

 

The New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name:    G Tratoold
Arrival date:    30 May 1883
Birth Date:    abt 1855
Age:    28
Gender:    Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality:    Swedish
Place of Origin:    Sweden
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination:    United States of America
Port of Arrival:    New York, New York
Ship Name:    Pavonia

 

The New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name:    A Tratoold
Arrival date:    30 May 1883
Birth Date:    abt 1859
Age:    24
Gender:    Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality:    Swedish
Place of Origin:    Sweden
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination:    United States of America
Port of Arrival:    New York, New York
Ship Name:    Pavonia

 

The New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name:    Anne Tratoold
Arrival date:    30 May 1883
Birth Date:    abt 1863
Age:    20
Gender:    Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality:    Swedish
Place of Origin:    Sweden
Port of Departure:    Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination:    United States of America
Port of Arrival:    New York, New York
Ship Name:    Pavonia

 

Egil so how in the world did you connect the dots on this considering the last names don't even match up! I would have never found them if you hadn't helped. You guys are amazing.

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

55 minutes ago, Ann-Mary Engum said:

Emigration 1883.

 from Trondheim.

Ole Tretvold,Thore Tretvold,Arnt Tretvold,Anna Tretvold.

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=36346&merk=36346#ovre

 

Ann Mary thank you for posting all of these. You are a super sleuth. The combination of you and Carl has been wonderful.

[Egil Johannessen]

10 minutter siden, Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton skrev:

Egil so how in the world did you connect the dots on this considering the last names don't even match up!

 

Searched in passenger lists and went for father Ole and wrote *old in surname and born 1831 +/- 1 year, arrival year 1883 and voila ! 

 

Looking at the original manifest it showed Thore (as T), his brother (as A), his brothers wife Anne - all of them also matched with the age from the emigration manifest.

Endret September 5, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton]

Ok then I can begin looking to see when Ole died over here in the U.S.

 

For Marithe Arntsdatter Morken do you show where and when she died?

 

I wish the data bases would show what folks die of today since back then the diagnoses were pretty generic and not sure what they really had. I just think it would be helpful to those now and in the future to know what to look out for possibly. I know environmental stuff comes into play but still you can see patterns with some families. I know that is true of the males on my Icelandic side. Gastro type cancers that showed up with the cousins of two generation and had everyone spooked.  

 

 

[Carl-Henry Geschwind]

22 minutes ago, Deanne Elisabet Johnson Broughton said:

I wish the data bases would show what folks die of today since back then the diagnoses were pretty generic and not sure what they really had. I just think it would be helpful to those now and in the future to know what to look out for possibly. I know environmental stuff comes into play but still you can see patterns with some families. I know that is true of the males on my Icelandic side. Gastro type cancers that showed up with the cousins of two generation and had everyone spooked.

 

Actually, Norwegian death records are blocked for 80 years so the general public cannot determine what your relatives died of - I think the idea here is to prevent insurance companies (or possibly employers) from discriminating against you because of a family predisposition for certain diseases.