Help with a record

[Michael Baird]

I'm having great difficulty in reading records from 1806 at the Vågå parish and could use some help.  I am searching for the christening record for a Jacob Hansen who according to the 1865 and 1875 census was born in 1806 in Vågå.  There are 3 Jacob Hansens born recorded in 1806 but I can not figure out if any of them are him.  I can not in other words even figure out the father's name from these records from the handwriting.  If someone could look a these and tell me if any of the records are of a son Jacob and father Hans I would appreciate it very much.  I usually don't have this much trouble with the records.  Here are links to the pages.

1:  Right hand side toward the top  https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520393

2.  There are two Jacobs on this page, both on the right hand side:  https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520395

 

Thanks!

Michael

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Use this:

 

" Tyding av skannede kilder".

 

https://forum.arkivverket.no/forum/7-tyding-av-skannede-kilder/

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

Try the "tyde" (transcription) forum next...

Also, it is appreciated that you follow the rule that you accepted when registering: to use full name.

 

To the inquiry: None of the three  (actually two) Jacobs is a son of Hans.

The first father is calle Ole Overberg

The 2nd Jacob is crossed over and repeated as the third.

His father is called Johans Rustmoen

 

Indeed, there is a very tiny possibility that Johans (Johannes) has become "Hans"  (which is another form of the name).

 

[Michael Baird]

Ann-Mary - I changed my display name to comply and thanks for the link to the other forum.  It has been a few years since I posted here and it was unclear (because of Norwegian) exactly where to post my question.  Tyding av skannede kilder translates to "Timing of scanned sources" on Google translate!

Thanks Ivar for the transcription.

Michael

[Berit Knudsen]

Where was he living in 1865 and 1875?

[Michael Baird]

Yes he was:

1865 census:   https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038059008892

1875 census:  https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052089004383

I was able to find his wife's birth/christening record but not his

[Michael Baird]

Ah, you asked where not if.  in 1865 census indicates residence is Høiberg, Vågå, Oppland  and indicates his birth was in Vågå. 

In 1875 census it indicates residence is Haugstulen, Vågå, Oppland with a birth place of Sel

 

So I have been looking in the Vågå parish records which include local parishes Vågå, Sel and Heidal

 

MIke

[Per S. Nestande]

Hello Michael. Have you found the marriage of Rønnaug and Jakop? His father’s name should be recorded there. As they have a son born around 1837, I guess they married around that time. I guess Hans is their oldest son (named after his paternal grandfather), but they may have had older daughters. Note that they may well have married after the first child was born. 

Endret Desember 17, 2018 av Per S. Nestande

[Ann-Mary Engum]

?

Hans born 6 Sept,christened 24 Sept 1837.

No58

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/16819/12

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Deleted

 

 

Endret Desember 17, 2018 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Michael Baird]

Thanks Ann-Mary - I hadn't found the marriage yet!

Hans birth I had found.

[Kåre Tofte]

When Jacob dies (March 22, 1886) his borth year is stated as 1798: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070115630609 (#27, Jacob Hansen Brendnebben).

[Ann-Mary Engum]

26 minutter siden, Michael Baird skrev:

Thanks Ann-Mary - I hadn't found the marriage yet!

Hans birth I had found.

 

The marriage I have found is not "your" Jacob Hansen and Rønnoug Olsdatter.

 

 

Endret Desember 17, 2018 av Ann-Mary Engum

[Kåre Tofte]

Then "my" Jacob is also the wrong one - it's the same one as Ann-Mary's. 

[Kåre Tofte]

First child Ymbjør born Nov.21, 1835 - by then the parents were not yet married; http://www.farkiv.no/arkivnett/kirkebok/detalj.no.php?PT=Dopte&Post=48408

Marriage Dec.21,1835 -#3:https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603530194

[Ann-Mary Engum]

Ymbjør born 21Nov 1835

"Uægte"

No 4

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/16819/5

[Kåre Tofte]

This would then be Jacob's christening; http://www.farkiv.no/arkivnett/kirkebok/detalj.no.php?PT=Dopte&Post=38515

Born Jan.7, 1811. 

His father Hans Jacobsen was from the farm Havn. 

 

[Kåre Tofte]

Here's the marriage record of his parents; https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv000000017220

His mother's name was Ingeborg Ellevsdatter and she was from the farm Selsvatnet/Vandet.

[Berit Knudsen]

#15 The marriage was 26 of december.

[Per S. Nestande]

Here is a link to the marriage of Jakop and Rønnaug (number 2):

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603530194

 

[Michael Baird]

Thanks for all the help everyone. You are great!  On the Marriage referenced by Per ( https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603530194 ) I have a hard time reading what I assume are farm names for  Jacob and Rønnaug and their fathers.  Anyone provide a good transcription?

 

Thanks,

Michael

[Bodil Hørlück Berg]

Olstadeie og Barnaas ?

[Jon Erik Berg-Hansen]

The bride's name in this record is actually spelled Rønnog - also written Rønnaug / Rønnau.

The farm names are correctly interpreted by Bodil.

 

Shame on me: Berit found the correct farm (Barnaal)

Endret Desember 18, 2018 av Jon Erik Berg-Hansen

[Berit Knudsen]

Hans Jacobsen Olstad eie og Ole Markusen Barnaal.

[Berit Knudsen]

It looks like Rønnaug/Rønnov was born outside marriage.

On the right side no. 4 from topp Rønnov https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520472

 

One Sigrid Eriksdt. was married oct. 19 1820 in Vaagaa with Hans Christensen?

 

It is possible Barnaal was a "husmannsplass" under Hjelle gård 262/1.