Johan Carl Palmstrom Death Certificate

[Egil Johannessen]

Why did you state "it's on his Australian Death Certfificate" ? Is it correct to understand it is not, given the information in the previous post's?

På 2.8.2019 den 3.16, Mark Peterson skrev:

and we know that Charles Peterson ( Johan Carl Pedersen Palmstrom ) was Born in Arendal, Norway in 1829, it’s on his Australian Death Certificate. 

 

Endret August 3, 2019 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

Have you found his naturalization records?

Endret August 3, 2019 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

11 timer siden, Kristian Hunskaar (privat) skrev:

Charles Peterson and his wife Ellen arrived in Melbourne 24th January 1856 from New York on the ship Gertrude.

 

The Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923
Name:    C Peterson
Estimated birth year:    abt 1833
Age:    23
Arrival Date:    24 Jan 1856
Arrival Port:    Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port:    New York
Ship:    Gertrude
Nationality:    Foreigner

 

 

At the arrival his age was 23 (born ca 1833). 

Endret August 3, 2019 av Egil Johannessen

[Mark Peterson]

52 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

Why did you state "it's on his Australian Death Certfificate" ? Is it correct to understand it is not, given the information in the previous post's?

 

I will get back to you with the death certificate info shortly. Thx Mark Peterson

[Mark Peterson]

14 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

The Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839-1923
Name:    C Peterson
Estimated birth year:    abt 1833
Age:    23
Arrival Date:    24 Jan 1856
Arrival Port:    Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port:    New York
Ship:    Gertrude
Nationality:    Foreigner

 

 

At the arrival his age was 23 (born ca 1833). 

Yes, only estimated birth year. Thx Mark Peterson

[Mark Peterson]

37 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

Have you found his naturalization records?

 

No not yet. Thx Mark Peterson

[Egil Johannessen]

11 timer siden, Kristian Hunskaar (privat) skrev:

Their oldest child Caroline was born 14th December 1855, and on her birth certificate it is stated that Charles Peterson was a miner, and that he was 27 years of age and born in Arendal, Norway.

 

It states she was born in South Durham 14 Dec 1855  -  how is that possible if they arrived on the ship "Gertrude" from New York 24 January 1856?

[Egil Johannessen]

13 timer siden, Mark Peterson skrev:

No it doesn’t say his original name was Johan Carl Palmstrom. His name in Australia was Charles Peterson. My fathers aunt told him as a child that our family were originally from Sweden and then Norway. On his children’s baptism certificates, it says he was born in Arendal in 1829. 

 

 

It looks like the birth is registered (or something is) 10th January 1859 (3rd column from right) - which probably means Charles age is 27 at the point of reg. (27) = born ca 1832.

 

Mark; could you please enclose the head of the columns so we can see what they entail?

Endret August 3, 2019 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

11 minutter siden, Mark Peterson skrev:

Yes, only estimated birth year. Thx Mark Peterson

 

But Mark, all years (ie. children's birth certificates) are estimated birth years which is Kristian's point:

 

Endret August 3, 2019 av Egil Johannessen

[Ann-Mary Engum]

8 minutter siden, Egil Johannessen skrev:

 

 

It looks like the birth is registered (or something is) 10th January 1859 (3rd column from right) - which probably means Charles age is 27 at the point of reg. (27) = born ca 1932.

 

Mark; could you please enclose the head of the columns so we can see what they entail?

Ikke 1932,men 1832. 

[Egil Johannessen]

Akkurat nå, Ann-Mary Engum skrev:

Ikke 1932,men 1832. 

 

Thank you - corrected.

[Mark Peterson]

15 minutes ago, Mark Peterson said:

 

No not yet. Thx Mark Peterson

 

9 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

 

It looks like the birth is registered (or something is) 10th January 1859 (3rd column from right) - which probably means Charles age is 27 at the point of reg. (27) = born ca 1932.

 

Mark; could you please enclose the head of the columns so we can see what they entail?

 

Sorry but that is how I received it from another person looking into Charles Peterson. I will check with my parents to see if they have a full copy. Thx Mark Peterson

[Mark Peterson]

20 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

It states she was born in South Durham 14 Dec 1855  -  how is that possible if they arrived on the ship "Gertrude" from New York 24 January 1856?

That wasn’t Charles and Ellen Peterson’s 1st child. Their 1st child was named Anna Maria Peterson.

[Egil Johannessen]

Akkurat nå, Mark Peterson skrev:

Their 1st child was named Anna Maria Peterson.

 

When was she born?

[Egil Johannessen]

7 minutter siden, Egil Johannessen skrev:

When was she born?

 

If this is the one you mean, she wasn't the first child since Charlotte was born 14th Dec 1855.

 

The Australia, Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name:    Ammy Peterson
Birth Date:    Abt 1856
Birth Place:    Byong, Victoria
Registration Year:    1856
Registration Place:    Victoria, Australia
Father:    Charles Peterson
Mother:    Ellen Cavendish ??
Registration Number:    12620

 

From Ancestry

[Mark Peterson]

3 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

If this is the one you mean, she wasn't the first child since Charlotte was born 14th Dec 1855.

 

The Australia, Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name:    Ammy Peterson
Birth Date:    Abt 1856
Birth Place:    Byong, Victoria
Registration Year:    1856
Registration Place:    Victoria, Australia
Father:    Charles Peterson
Mother:    Ellen Cavendish ??
Registration Number:    12620

 

From Ancestry

 

From Mark Peterson site on Ancestry

 

 

Thx. This is the one I have, but I’ll have to double check it.

[Mark Peterson]

1 minute ago, Mark Peterson said:

 

From Mark Peterson site on Ancestry

 

 

Thx. This is the one I have, but I’ll have to double check it.

No Charlotte wasn’t born on the ship. Something not quite right there. They hadn’t even arrived in Australia until 24th January 1856. Thx Mark Peterson.

[Egil Johannessen]

5 minutter siden, Mark Peterson skrev:

No Charlotte wasn’t born on the ship.

 

No one has stated she was born on the ship - I'm merely quoting from the document you provided regarding Charlotte (in the first column it states date and place, presumably her birth) - thus why I was asking to see the head columns to be able to determine what each columns entail.

Endret August 3, 2019 av Egil Johannessen

[Mark Peterson]

1 minute ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

No one has stated she was born on the ship - I'm merely quoting from the document you provided regarding Charlotte (in the first column it states date and place, presumably her birth) - thus why I was asking to see the head columns to be able to determine what each columns entail.

 

Ok sorry. So no she wasn’t born on the ship named Gertrude and I’m pretty sure Charlotte was the 2nd child born in 1858. Maybe that certificate is wrong or for something else. Thx Mark Peterson

[Mark Peterson]

[Mark Peterson]

14/02/1859 Durham Lead Victoria Australia is for Charlotte Peterson.

Endret August 3, 2019 av Mark Peterson

[Mark Peterson]

9 minutes ago, Mark Peterson said:

I do think this date in the 1st column is wrong. Also South Durham, now Durham Lead is in Victoria, Australia, right next to Mount Doran where Clement Niece Peterson was born.

Endret August 3, 2019 av Mark Peterson

[Egil Johannessen]

It's not the best quality, but I hope it's readable.

 

Column             1                                                  2                                    3                                  4                                          5                                                      6

 

 

Column                                             1                                                                                                                    2

 

 

Column 3                                                 4                                                                                5                                                                                           6

 

 

Column                  7                                                                      8                                                       9                                        10

 

 

Column                       7                                                                                          8                                                                        9                                                   10

Endret August 3, 2019 av Egil Johannessen

[Mark Peterson]

7 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

It's not the best quality, but I think it's readable.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes thx, but I think the date in the 1st column is wrong.

[Egil Johannessen]

It would be nice to see a higher quality image to be able to read all - however what does it say in 5 column regrading Marriage`?