Hvor ble det av Christine Henriksen angivelig født i Stavanger 1862 etter at hun emigrerte via Bergen til Amerika? 26.04.1894, og hvem var hun datter av?

[Rune Thorstensen]

Christine Henriksen var angivelig født i Stavanger 1862, og fødte en sønn Sverre Kristoffer utenfor ekteskap i Bergen 23.09.1893. Far til barnet var enkemann Hjalmar Hagbart Johansen f. 1860 i Christiania.

 

Christine forlater Bergen 26.04.1894 med en båt fra Stjernelinjen trolig med kurs for Amerika.

 

Sønnens dåp 01.10.1893. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000007423525

 

Emigrasjonen https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000690944

 

Sønnen vokste opp hos sin far i Bergen men også han forsvinner  etter 1912 tellingen. Han var sjømann. I følge sjømansregisteret var siste registrerte tur fra Bergen i 1911.

 

Her er han i 1910 tellingen.https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036708079239

Her er den kommunale tellingen for Bergen 1912. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01105551048830

 

Her er opplysninger fra sjømannsrullene vi fikk fra Statsarkivet i Bergen:

"Han står i sjømannsrullene for Bergen under 14280 som kullemper på Hector fra 9. jan. 1909 til 23. september 1910, og som fyrbøter på Ida fra 8. nov. 1910 til 12. januar 1911 og igjen fra 27. januar 1911 til 25. april 1911. Så var han fyrbøter på Eir fra 11. mai 1911. Det er ikke registrert avmønstring fra denne i protokollen. Han ble overført til hovedrullen 31. desember 1913 under nr. 3154, men det er ikke ført fartsopplysninger der.

 

Min konklusjon er at han ikke har vært mønstret med melding til Bergen etter mai 1911. Det er vel da tvilsomt om han har hatt fast bopel i byen etter dette."

 

Men det er først og fremst opplysninger om hans mor, Christine Henriksen, jeg er på jakt etter. Jeg finner ingen passende kandidat i Stavanger 1865, så hun kan like gjerne være født i Stavanger området og ikke i byen Stavanger.

 

Jeg skulle gjerne ha visst hvem hennes foreldre var og hvor hun var født, men aller mest ønsker jeg å få vite hvor hun dro i 1894 og hva som skjedde videre med henne.

 

Om man i farta skulle snuble over opplysninger om sønnen Sverre Kristoffer også, mottas selvsagt slike opplysninger med stor interesse og takk. Kanskje endte også han opp i Amerika.

 

[Carl Nilsen]

Kandidat, nr 131?

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1670/206

 

FT1891:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052993002823

[Rune Thorstensen]

Takk for hjelpen Carl. 

Det er selvsagt en kandidat, men vanskelig å si med sikkerhet all den tid at hun kun bruker Christine i de to kildene jeg har dokumentasjon på, nemlig sønnens fødsel/dåp og emigrasjonen.

Det var imidlertid interessant å se at Jacob Olsen Krokeide fra Fana oppholdt seg samme sted i 1891.

[Trude Nilsen]

13 minutter siden, Carl Nilsen skrev:

Kandidat, nr 131?

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1670/206

 

FT1891:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052993002823

 

Ser at moren til denne Christine heter Gustava. Er dette samme mor og datter ved ft 1875 kanskje? Pauline Christine er her i Stavanger.

Moren er enke.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052234010380

 

 

Endret April 23, 2021 av Trude Nilsen
surr med årstall

[Oddgeir Fossli]

Sitter på en flyplass og venter (en nøvendig jobbreise) trengte et puslespill 🙂

 

Carl, jeg tror du har funnet rett kandidat utfra opplysninger fra amrikanske kilder!

 

Her er vel ankomsten hennes i USA:

 

Name:	Christ Henriksen
Gender:	Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality:	Norwegian
Age:	25
Birth Date:	abt 1869
Departure Port:	Liverpool, England
Arrival Date:	9 May 1894
Arrival Port:	New York, New York, USA
Ship Name:	Majestic

 

 

Litt avik i alder, men utfra reisefølge fra Bergen ingen andre kandidater jeg fant i farten. Reisemål Iowa.

 

 

 

 

[Oddgeir Fossli]

FT1900:

 

Name:	Christene T Eide
Age:	37
Birth Date:	Aug 1862
Birthplace:	Norway
Home in 1900:	Howard, Story, Iowa
Sheet Number:	4
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:	89
Family Number:	97
Race:	White
Gender:	Female
Immigration Year:	1894
Relation to Head of House:	Wife
Marital Status:	Married
Spouse's Name:	Johannes H Eide
Marriage Year:	1895
Years Married:	5
Father's Birthplace:	Norway
Mother's Birthplace:	Norway
Mother: number of living children:	1
Mother: How many children:	1
Years in US:	6
Can Read:	Yes
Can Write:	Yes
Can Speak English:	Yes
Neighbors:	View others on page
Household Members Age Relationship Johannes H Eide 47 Head Christene T Eide 37 Wife Gustov A Eide 3 Son

[Oddgeir Fossli]

FT1910:

 

Name:	Christina Eide[Christine Eide]
Age in 1910:	47
Birth Date:	1863[1863]
Birthplace:	Norway
Home in 1910:	Howard, Story, Iowa, USA
Street:	Martha St
Race:	White
Gender:	Female
Immigration Year:	1894
Relation to Head of House:	Wife
Marital Status:	Married
Spouse's Name:	Johan H Eide
Father's Birthplace:	Norway
Mother's Birthplace:	Norway
Native Tongue:	Norwegian
Able to read:	Yes
Able to Write:	Yes
Years Married:	15
Number of Children Born:	2
Number of Children Living:	2
Neighbors:	View others on page
Household Members Age Relationship Johan H Eide 57 Head Christina Eide 47 Wife Alexander Eide 13 Son Victor Eide 7 Son Micheal Eide 27 Nephew

[Oddgeir Fossli]

Gravsted:

 

Christine Henderson Eide (1862-1919) - Find A Grave Memorial

 

Name:	Christine Eide
Birth Date:	5 Aug 1862
Birth Place:	Norway
Death Date:	17 Sep 1919
Death Place:	Roland, Story County, Iowa, United States of America
Cemetery:	Roland Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place:	Howard Township, Story County, Iowa, United States of America
Has Bio?:	Y

[Oddgeir Fossli]

Sjekk teksten på FindAGrave:

 

Christina/Christine (Henderson/Hendrikson) Eide immigrated to the United States from Norway in 1894. She married Johan Henry Eide. To this union the following children are known:
- Alexander John Eide (16 Aug 1896-4 Oct 1919)
- Victor Marcus Eide (1 Dec 1902-15 Mar 1959, Ramsey Co., Minn.)
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Obituary transcribed by Dena Gray-Fisher, source: Roland Record, September 18, 1919

FOUND DEAD IN BED
Mrs. Christina Eide Found Dead in Bed Wednesday Morning

This community was shocked yesterday morning when the news was spread around that Mrs. Christina Eide had been found dead in bed, she having died some time during the night from heart failure. Mrs. Eide was in the usual health on Tuesday, having attending the Home-Coming celebration at the park both afternoon and evening. Yesterday morning when her son, Victor, who is staying at home, got up and did not see his mother around he went into her bedroom and found her cold in death.

Mrs. Eide was 57 years of age at the time of her demise. She leaves to mourn her death two sons Alexander and Victor and one sister, Mrs. Henrietta Duea. Her husband, J. H. Eide, died nine years ago also quite suddenly from heart failure.

The funeral services will be held Friday afternoon at 2 o'clock from Bergens church. Services at the residence at 1:30.

[Oddgeir Fossli]

Vielsen i USA:

 

Name:	Christine Pauline Henrikson
Gender:	Female
Marriage Date:	9 Nov 1895
Marriage Place:	Roland, Story, Iowa
Father:	Peder Henrikson
Mother:	Gustava Clausen
Spouse:	J.H. Eide Von Wolf
FHL Film Number:	1403711

 

Name:	J.H. Eide Von Wolf
Gender:	Male
Marriage Date:	9 Nov 1895
Marriage Place:	Roland, Story, Iowa
Father:	Johannes Eide Von Wolf
Mother:	Ingeborg Eide
Spouse:	Christine Pauline Henrikson
FHL Film Number:	1403711

 

 

 

[Rune Thorstensen]

Hei, her ramla det inn opplysninger i stort tempo.

 

Ut fra fødselsdatoen ved dødsfallet Oddgeir har du funnet den samme kvinnen som Carl fant født i Stavanger som Pauline Christine. Ved dåpen i 1862 står mora oppført som Gustava Wilhelmine Paulsen.

 

Det hadde vært helt topp om man også hadde klart å knytte Sverre Kristoffer til henne.

[Trude Nilsen]

2 minutter siden, Oddgeir Fossli skrev:

Mrs. Eide was 57 years of age at the time of her demise. She leaves to mourn her death two sons Alexander and Victor and one sister, Mrs. Henrietta Duea. Her husband, J. H. Eide, died nine years ago also quite suddenly from heart failure.

 

Pauline (Christine) fra ft 1875 har en søster Henriette!

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052234010381

[Oddgeir Fossli]

Mannen død:

 

Name:	John Henry Eide
Birth Date:	5 Dec 1852
Birth Place:	Norway
Death Date:	10 Jun 1910
Death Place:	Roland, Story County, Iowa, United States of America
Cemetery:	Roland Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place:	Howard Township, Story County, Iowa, United States of America
Has Bio?:	Y

 

Fra FindAGrave

Obituary transcribed by Dena Gray-Fisher, source: Roland Record, June 16, 1910

BUSINESS MAN DIES SUDDENLY
Well known Druggist Dies at His Home in Roland After Only a Few Hours Illness. Had Been in Poor Health For Some Time. But Had of Late Been Attending to His Business

J. H. Eide a well known druggist of this place,died at six o'clock on Friday morning June 10, 1910, the news coming as a shock to the community as he was seen at this store just before supper the preceding day. Mr. Eide had been taken sick with a rheumatic ailment last fall and for many weeks was confined to his home, but the past months had been able to attend to his store. On Friday morning at about two o'clock, he became sick and Dr. Rice was called, after which he seemed to be better and shortly before six o'clock he rose and opened the doors and windows, presumably feeling short of breath and he went over to a couch and in a few minutes expired. Dr. Rice was called immediately, but life was already extinct, the cause of his death being fatty degeneration of the heart.

John Henry Eide was born in Eide, Jondall, Bergens Stift, Norway on December 5, 1852, and was 57 years, 6 months and 5 days old when so suddenly taken away. He left Norway at the age of seventeen as a sailor and traveled as such over many parts of the world, finally stopping at Paris, France, where he was married to a French lady. After a few years she died.

During the time that the French Panama Canal Co. was operating, Mr. Eide had several thousand dollars invested, which he lost when that company failed. About fifteen years ago he came directly here from Paris and after a short time secured a position with a drug firm at Nevada where he stayed some time, after which he came her and opened a restaurant until a few years ago, when he opened a drug store which he since has been conducting. Shortly after his arrival here, he married Miss Christine Henderson to which union two children were born who with their mother are now mourning the death of their father. They are Alexander and Victor.

The funeral was held from Bergen church on Monday afternoon at two o'clock, Rev. Smedal officiating after which the remains were laid to rest in the Roland cemetery. The sorrowing family are extended the sincere sympathy of their many friends, in the hour of their bereavement.

 

 

[Trude Nilsen]

Mor Gustava dør i 1909.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000001144980

 

[Oddgeir Fossli]

WW2 for sønnen Aleksander:

 

Name:	Alexander John Eide
Birth Date:	16 Aug 1896
Birth Place:	Iowa
Residence Date:	1917-1918
Residence Place:	Story County, Iowa, USA
Physical Build:	Slender
Height:	Tall
Hair Color:	Dark Brown
Eye Color:	Blue
Relative:	Christine Eide

 

 

Død:

 

Name:	Alexander John Eide
Birth Date:	16 Aug 1896
Birth Place:	Roland, Story County, Iowa, United States of America
Death Date:	4 Oct 1919
Death Place:	Nevada, Story County, Iowa, United States of America
Cemetery:	Roland Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place:	Howard Township, Story County, Iowa, United States of America
Has Bio?:	Y

 

 

Alexander John Eide (1896-1919) - Find A Grave Memorial

 

Fra FindAGrave:

Obituary transcribed by Dena Gray-Fisher, source: Roland Record, October 9, 1919

DIES OF BURNS
Alexander Eide Succumbs to Severe Injuries-Funeral Held Tuesday

Alexander Eide, who was so severely burned a week ago Friday, at Nevada, when he tried to cut a high tension wire, died at the Sanitarium at Nevada Saturday evening at 9:30.

After the accident he was taken to the Sanitarium where he lived over a week. A few days before his death his right arm was removed at the shoulder and since that time he has been slowly sinking until Saturday night he passed away.

Alexander was born in Roland on August 16, 1897. In this city he grew up, attending the local schools and always making good use of his time. Since early childhood he was an industrious lad and was happy when given an opportunity to work around machinery. In this line he was very efficient and in late years developed to be an expert in his chosen profession, electrician. At the time of his death he was working for Cook Electric Co. at Nevada.

The death of Alexander is an occasion for much sorrow in this community. Everybody like him. He was always pleasant and had a good word of cheer for everyone he met. It is only a short three weeks ago since his mother, Mrs. Christine Eide died. His father J. H. Eide died about six years ago. His brother, Victor, is now the sole survivor of the family and he with his aunt, Mrs. Henrietta Duea, are the only near relatives in this country and they have the profound sympathy of the entire community.

The funeral services were held Tuesday afternoon, conducted by Rev. Smedal. The Bergen church male chorus sang several appropriate selections. The church was crowded with friends who came to pay their last respects to a departed friend. He was laid to rest in the Roland cemetery by the side of his parents, Mr. and Mrs. J. H. Eide.

[Rune Thorstensen]

Hjertelig takk for alle innspill og interessant informasjon.

Det er i alle fall ikke tvil om at Pauline Christine født i Stavanger 1862 er identisk med den Christine Henriksen dere har funnet i Amerika gift med John Henry Eide.

 

Det er mye som tyder på at hun også er identisk med den Christine Henriksen jeg etterlyser.

Jeg registrerer at sønnen Sverre ikke er nevnt ved hennes dødsfall, så det er kanskje ikke mye som tyder på at de har hatt noe kontakt, i alle fall ikke av en slikart at hanble nevnt ved hennes død.

[Oddgeir Fossli]

Sønnen Victor:

 

Vielse:

 

Name:	Victor Eide
Gender:	Male
Race:	White
Age:	36
Birth Date:	abt 1904
Birth Place:	Poland, Iowa
Marriage Date:	3 Feb 1940
Marriage Place:	Nashua, Iowa, USA
Previous Marriages:	First
Father:	Henry J. Eide
Mother:	Christine Eide
Spouse:	Marie Burbank

 

 

Død:

 

Name:	Victor Marcus Eide
Birth Date:	1 Dec 1902
Birth Place:	Roland, Story County, Iowa, United States of America
Death Date:	15 Mar 1959
Death Place:	Ramsey County, Minnesota, United States of America
Cemetery:	Roselawn Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place:	Roseville, Ramsey County, Minnesota, United States of America
Has Bio?:	N

 

 

Victor Marcus Eide (1902-1959) - Find A Grave Memorial

 

[Trude Nilsen]

10 minutter siden, Rune Thorstensen skrev:

Det hadde vært helt topp om man også hadde klart å knytte Sverre Kristoffer til henne.

 

Enig. Det mangler noe som knytter "alt" sammen her...

[Rune Thorstensen]

Men jeg tror vi kan slå fast at Pauline Christine og Christine Henriksen er en og samme person.

 

Mora døde jo i Bergen 1909. Og her er hun i Bergen 1900 med sønn Hans.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01037335025743

 

Da er det kanskje ikke usannsynlig at hele familien flyttet til Bergen mellom 1891-1893.

 

Her er de i Bergen 1891, person 19-21.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052994055252

 

Og Pauline var altså i Årstad v/Bergen i 1891.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052993002823

Endret April 23, 2021 av Rune Thorstensen

[Oddgeir Fossli]

For ordens skyld her er referansen til skannede kirkeboken for fødselen til Sverre Kristoffer:

 

NR: blank etter nr 43:

SAB, Mariakirken Sokneprestembete, H/Haa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. A 8, 1893-1942, s. 9
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050513020010
 

Nr: 47:

SAB, Fødselsstiftelsens sokneprestembete*, Ministerialbok nr. A 2, 1884-1900, s. 118
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061122030697
 

 

 

Endret April 23, 2021 av Oddgeir Fossli

[Oddgeir Fossli]

6 minutes ago, Rune Thorstensen said:

Men jeg tror vi kan slå fast at Pauline Christine og Christine Henriksen er en og samme person.

 

Dette bekrefter vel det: DFP

 

SAB, Byfogd og Byskriver i Bergen, 06/06Na/L0008: Dødsfallsjournaler, 1904-1910, s. 229b-230a
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090615350474

 

[Oddgeir Fossli]

48 minutes ago, Oddgeir Fossli said:

J.H. Eide Von Wolf

 

Dette var et navn jeg ikke forbindet med Norge, men kanskje en forskjønning?

 

Men står tydeligt i originalen:

 

Iowa, U.S., Marriage Records, 1880-1951 for Johannes Side von Golf
1896 - 385 (O´Brien - Story)

 

Ancestry.com - Iowa, U.S., Marriage Records, 1880-1951

 

[Oddgeir Fossli]

Sjekket litt mot opphavet til J.H.Eide:

 

Fødsel: (foreldrene er husmenn)

 

Johan Hendrik - Ministerialbok for Strandebarm prestegjeld 1844-1872 (1226P) - Digitalarkivet

 

Nr:81

SAB, Strandebarm sokneprestembete, H/Haa: Ministerialbok nr. A 7, 1844-1872, s. 75
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070222700212
 

[Rune Thorstensen]

Takk igjen.

Ja, det er vel behørlig dokumentert at den Christine Henriksen som reise fra Bergen i 1894 er identisk med Pauline Christine = Christine Eide.

Og all den tid familien til Pauline Christine også dro til Bergen en gang før 1891, kan vi vel også slå fast at dette er mor til Sverre Kristoffer.

 

Det som gjenstår er vel å finne ut hvor den samme Sverre tok veien etter 1912/1913.

[Oddgeir Fossli]

Fant ingen forbindelse til van Wolf for foreldrene:

 

FT1865:

004 Henrik Johannesen - 0045 Lilletvedt - 005 5te - Tellingskretsoversikt - Folketelling 1865 for 1226P Strandebarm prestegjeld - Digitalarkivet

 

FT1891:

001 Johannes Hendriksøn Eide - 005 Johannes H. Eide - 004 Tellingskrets 4: Tørvikbygd - Tellingskretsoversikt - Folketelling 1891 for 1227 Jondal herred - Digitalarkivet