Thom (1839) og Caroline (1842) TARSON - farmarbeidarar i Gilmanton township, Buffalo Co., WI 1870 med fire born - kven var desse folki?

[Lars E. Øyane]

Ein annan huslyd som eg slit med i Gilmanton township, Buffalo Co., WI 1870, er denne:

 

Tarson, Thom 31 day laborer Nor

Tarson, Caroline 28 keeping house Nor

Tarson, Henry 10 at home WI

Tarson, Rassmus 7 at home WI

Tarson, Julie 6 at home WI

Tarson, Hermann 2 at home WI

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6Q6W-C4?i=6&cc=1438024&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMN93-H39

 

Den føregåande huslyden på same side kom frå Meråker i 1865, men eg tvilar om dei har noko med kvarandre å gjera...

 

Eg finn ikkje denne huslyden heller i noko Family Tree, so eg står ganske so «bom fast» og takkar so myke på førehand for alle gode tips!

[Frank Marton Pedersen]

Tipper at Tarson er en omskriving av Thorson/Torson/Toreson etc. 

 

Dette kan være vår Herman i Census 1910 og 1920:

 

1910 United States Federal Census - Ancestry.com

 

Name:	Herman A Thorson
Age in 1910:	43
Birth Date:	1867[1867]
Birthplace:	Wisconsin
Home in 1910:	Linton, Emmons, North Dakota, USA
Race:	White
Gender:	Male
Relation to Head of House:	Head
Marital Status:	Married[Widowed]
Spouse's Name:	Maggie Thorson
Father's Birthplace:	Norway
Mother's Birthplace:	Norway
Native Tongue:	English
Occupation:	Carpenter
Industry:	Own Shop
Employer, Employee or Other:	Own Account
Home Owned or Rented:	Own
Home Free or Mortgaged:	Free
Farm or House:	House
Able to read:	Yes
Able to Write:	Yes
Neighbors:	View others on page
Household Members Age Relationship Herman A Thorson 43 Head Maggie Thorson 42 Wife

 

 

 

 

Herman A Thoreson

in the 1920 United States Federal Census

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Name:	Herman A Thoreson[Herman G Thoreson]
Age:	52
Birth Year:	abt 1868
Birthplace:	Wisconsin
Home in 1920:	Linton, Emmons, North Dakota
House Number:	X
Residence Date:	1920
Race:	White
Gender:	Male
Relation to Head of House:	Head
Marital Status:	Married
Spouse's Name:	Margaret Thoreson
Father's Birthplace:	Norway
Mother's Birthplace:	Norway
Able to Speak English:	Yes
Occupation:	Carpenter
Industry:	House
Employment Field:	Own Account
Home Owned or Rented:	Owned
Home Free or Mortgaged:	Mortgaged
Able to read:	Yes
Able to Write:	Yes
Neighbors:	View others on page
Household Members Age Relationship Herman A Thoreson 52 Head Margaret Thoreson 51 Wife William F Bauer 20 Lodger

[Grethe Flood]

???? - dette er antakelig en helt annen huslyd, men legger det inn: 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN47-H5C

 

Type hendelse: Census
Navn: T Torrison
Kjønn: Male
Alder: 40
Hendelsesdato: 1880
Sted for hendelse: Dover, Buffalo, Wisconsin, United States
Fødselsår (anslått): 1840
Fødested: Norway
Sivilstand: Married
Yrke: Farmer
Rase: White
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Fars fødested: Norway
Mors fødested: Norway
Person Number: 0
Sheet Letter: B
Sheet Number: 355
Volume: 1
 

Husstand	Rolle	Kjønn	Alder	Fødested
T Torrison	Self	M	40	Norway
Olea Torrison	Wife	F	35	Norway
Herman Torrison	Son	M	13	Wisconsin, United States
Betsey Torrison	Daughter	F	8	Wisconsin, United States
Henry Torrison	Son	M	6	Wisconsin, United States
Edward Torrison	Son	M	4	Wisconsin, United States
Julia Torrison	Daughter	F	0	Wisconsin, United States

 

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

5 minutes ago, Grethe Flood said:

Julia Torrison

Daughter

F

0

Wisconsin, United States

 

Tollef Thoreson

 in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969

Julia Thoreson

 in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969

 

Name:Julia Thoreson

Baptism Age:0

Record Type:Baptism 

Birth Date:4 Sep 1879

Baptism Date:5 Oct 1879

Baptism Place:Osseo, Wisconsin, USA

Father:Tollef Thoreson

Mother:Olia Halvorson

Church Name:Evanger Lutheran Church

Church Location:Independence, Wisconsin

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=ELCAbmd&indiv=try&h=1032650

 

 

Endret August 13, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

9 minutes ago, Grethe Flood said:

Edward Torrison Son M 4 Wisconsin, United States

 

Edward Toresón

 in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969

Name:Edward Toresón

Record Type:Baptism 

Birth Date:22 Apr 1877

Baptism Date:13 Mar 1877

Baptism Place:Osseo, Wisconsin, USA

Father:Tollef Toresón

Mother:Olia Halversón

Church Name:Evanger Lutheran Church

Church Location:Independence, Wisconsin

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60722&h=1032623&ssrc=pt&tid=63521624&pid=122138009672&usePUB=true

[Grethe Flood]

Jeg er veldig usikker på om dette er de samme folkene i 1870 og 1880, siden en del av barna i 1870 ikke er med i 1880, for eksempel Rasmus, og navnene til ektefellene ikke stemmer, det vil Caroline i 1870 og Olea i 1880. 

[Anton Hagelee]

4 minutes ago, Grethe Flood said:

Jeg er veldig usikker på om dette er de samme folkene i 1870 og 1880, siden en del av barna i 1870 ikke er med i 1880, for eksempel Rasmus, og navnene til ektefellene ikke stemmer, det vil Caroline i 1870 og Olea i 1880. 

 

Kanskje Rassmus er en Roberet i den kanadiske folketellingen i 1901?

 

Edward Thoreson

 in the 1901 Census of Canada

Name:Edward Thoreson

Gender:Male

Race:White

Racial or Tribal Origin:Norway

Nationality:Canadian

Marital status:Single

Age:23

Birth Date:22 Apr 1877

Birth Place:USA

Relation to Head of House:Head

Immigration Year:1892

Religion:Lutheran

Occupation:Rancher

Extra Earnings:10

Can Read:Yes

Can Write:Yes

Can Speak English:Yes

Province:The Territories

District:Assiniboia (East/Est)

District Number:203

Sub-District:Sheho

Sub-District Number:1

Family Number:5

Neighbors:View others on page

Household Members:

NameAge

Edward Thoreson23

Olia Thoreson54

Tilda M Thoreson17

Robert Thoreson37

Tilda Thoreson28

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1901canada&indiv=try&h=5115005

[Anton Hagelee]

Robert (Rassmus) 1900 FT 

 

Robert Toreson

in the 1900 United States Federal Census

Name:Robert Toreson[Robert Tarricone]

Age:37

Birth Date:May 1863

Birthplace:Wisconsin, USA

Home in 1900:Independence, Trempealeau, Wisconsin

Sheet Number:2

Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:26

Family Number:29

Race:White

Gender:Male

Relation to Head of House:Head

Marital Status:Married

Spouse's Name:Tilde Toreson

Marriage Year:1891

Years Married:9

Father's Birthplace:Norway

Mother's Birthplace:Norway

Occupation:Barber

Months Not Employed:8

Can Read:Yes

Can Write:Yes

Can Speak English:Yes

House Owned or Rented:Rent

Farm or House:H

Neighbors:View others on page

Household MembersAgeRelationship

Robert Toreson37Head

Tilde Toreson29Wife

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

26 minutes ago, Grethe Flood said:

Betsey Torrison Daughter F 8 Wisconsin, United State

 

Kan dette være Betsy?

 

Betsy Oline Reiersón

 in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969

Name:Betsy Oline Reiersón

Baptism Age:0

Record Type:Baptism 

Birth Date:30 Mar 1872

Baptism Date:23 Jul 1872

Baptism Place:Osseo, Wisconsin, USA

Father:Tollef Reiersón

Mother:Olia Halversón

Church Name:Evanger Lutheran Church

Church Location:Independence, Wisconsin

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=60722&h=1032576&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=60527

 

 

Endret August 13, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Betsey Olina Nelson

in the Canada, Find a Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:Betsey Olina Nelson

Gender:F (Female)

Birth Date:30 Mar 1872

Birth Place:United States of America

Death Date:1960

Death Place:Elfros, Wynyard Census Division, Saskatchewan, Canada

Cemetery:Elfros Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:Elfros, Wynyard Census Division, Saskatchewan, Canada

Has Bio?:Y

Spouse:Martin Nelson

Children:Tilda Nellie Gowen

 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/81843737/betsey-olina-nelson

 

 

[Grethe Flood]

For ordens skyld legger jeg også inn dette fra Family Search:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHRK-3Q4

Type hendelse: Census
Navn: Olia Thoreson
Kjønn: Female
Alder: 54
Hendelsesdato: 31 Mar 1901
Sted for hendelse: Assiniboia (east/est), The Territories, Canada
Sub-District: L3
Fødselsår (anslått): 1847
Fødested: Norway
Sivilstand: Widowed
Ethnicity: Norway
Nationality: Norwegian
Religion: Lutheran
Relationship to Head of Household: Mother

 

Husstand	Rolle	Kjønn	Alder	Fødested
Edward Thoreson	Head	M	23	USA
Olia Thoreson	Mother	F	54	Norway
Tilda M Thoreson	Sister	F	17	USA
Robert Thoreson	Brother	M	37	USA
Tilda Thoreson	Wife	F	28	USA

 

[Grethe Flood]

Kan dette være samme familie???

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Ja, kan være.

 

I  diverse trær på Ancestry.com 

 

Olea Halvorsen

1846–1910

BIRTH JULY 1846 • Sør- Aurdal, Oppland, Norway

DEATH 22 FEB 1910 • Saskatchewan, Canada

 

Tollef Reiersen Espelein

1837–1897

BIRTH 21 APR 1837 • Espeleie, Aurdal, Oppland, Norway

DEATH APR 1897 • South Dakota

 

Må sjekkes ??  Ikke helt riktig!

 

For ordens skyld:

 

Nr. 32 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603960226

 

 

 

Endret August 13, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Grethe Flood]

 

[Anton Hagelee]

 

 

"Married 31 Aug 1862, Perry, Dane, Wisconsin to Ragnhild Olsdatter. Olia was his third wife"  !!

 

Så Rasmus eller Robert må være et barn fra et tidligere ekteskap?

 

 

Endret August 13, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Grethe Flood]

???

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMM2-FZ7

Navn: Tollef Toresen
Event Date: 1855
Event Place: Deerfield, Dane, Wisconsin
Residence Place: Deerfield, Dane, Wisconsin
Number of White Females: 4
Number of White Males: 1
Foreign Born: 3
Digital Folder Number: 004245037
Image Number: 479
Record Number: 13304
 

[Grethe Flood]

33 minutter siden, Grethe Flood skrev:

Kan dette være samme familie???

 

 

"According to a history written by Tilda Stittle (nee Thoreson) in Elfros, Saskatchewan, Canada in 1955 (when Tilda was 72 years old):

Tollof Thoreson was married twice before he married Olia Halverson. 

"They settled in the State of Wisconsin. That is where they met and was married after my father had had the misfortune to lose two wives." He had one son with each of his first two wives, the oldest named Robert Thoreson and the second named Herman Thoreson.

Tilda put her father's birth as April 21, 1837, but that date does not match Tollof's age in the Census records. 

She stated that the family left Norway in 1855 (date may or may not be accurate) and that her father had stowed away on the ship, rather than stay behind to wait for them to send him fare to travel to the US. She put his age at 18 when he and his family left Norway. 

She gave Tolloff and Olia's marriage date as 18 May 1871. ". 

 

Tilda Thoreson's Father.pdf

[Grethe Flood]

Olia Halverson born 1846

Januar 15, 2018

 

Quoting Stine Kvistad:

"Robert was born Rasmus to Tollef  Reiersen later Thoresen from Sør-Aurdal, https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9380/90

 

 

Name:	Rutmås Reiersen
Event Type:	Baptism
Birth Date:	27 May 1863
Baptism Date:	14 Jun 1863
Baptism Place:	Dane, Wisconsin, USA
Father:	Tolles Reiersen
Mother:	Ragnild Oled
Church Name:	Perry Norwegian Lutheran Church
Church Location:	Dane County, Wisconsin

[Lars E. Øyane]

Innlegg #19:

 

Dette er jo berre heilt fantastisk!  Når det først «løsna», har meldingane strøymt på, og eg sleg fast at denne huslyden har vore drøfta ogso tidlegare!  Hjarteleg takk til Frank Marton, Grethe og Anton for mange spennande og utfordrande innlegg!

 

Eg oppdaga denne posten hjå FamilySearch, som tydeleg syner dei tre ekteskapi til Tollef Reierson alias Thoreson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/K198-M13

 

Men eg finn ikkje referanse til andre born enn Rasmus «Robert» fødd i Perry, Dane Co., WI 27.5.1863 og Herman fødd 1867 (eg ser ikkje nokon dato!).  Men Tollef hadde i alle fall to born til, Henry og Julie, med mindre dette var born som Kari Halvorsdotter «brakte med seg» inn i ekteskapet då ho gifte seg med Tollef?

 

Og AHA:  Kyrkjebøkene for Perry syner at:

 

Halvor Osmundson og Kari Halvorsdotter fekk desse to borni i lag:

* Henry Olaus, f. 3.9.1860

* Gunild Kjistine, f. 18.7.1863

 

Då saknar eg for min del «berre»   ** Nøyaktig fødselsdato for Kari Halvorsdotter Rinde i Bø 1840?   ** Nøyaktig fødselsdato (og fødestad) for Hermann Thoreson i 1867/1868?
Det er berre heilt eineståande kva de greier å finna, og eg takkar på ny for framifrå bistand i freistnadane på å lokalisera desse emigrantane i Gilmanton township 1870!

Endret August 13, 2021 av Lars E. Øyane

[Anton Hagelee]

3 hours ago, Lars E. Øyane said:

Men Tollef hadde i alle fall to born til, Henry og Julie, med mindre dette var born som Kari Halvorsdotter «brakte med seg» inn i ekteskapet då ho gifte seg med Tollef?

 

Julia

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=ELCAbmd&indiv=try&h=1032650

 

Henry  Vanskelig å lese.

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60722/images/41742_314996-00250?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.23206970.1891373175.1628297686-552999773.1576285696&pId=1032650

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret August 14, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Grethe Flood]

8 timer siden, Lars E. Øyane skrev:

Nøyaktig fødselsdato for Kari Halvorsdotter Rinde i Bø 1840?

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000038591129

Nr. 51

Telemark fylke, Bø, Lunde i Bø, Ministerialbok nr. 7 (1831-1848), Fødte og døpte 1840, Side 76
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1350/94

 

Nr. 34

Telemark fylke, Bø, Lunde i Bø, Ministerialbok nr. 8 (1849-1861), Konfirmerte 1854, Side 206
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1351/203

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000009694334

Nr. 9

Telemark fylke, Bø, Lunde i Bø, Klokkerbok nr. 1 (1815-1831), Viede 1829, Side 418-419
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7918/178

 

Nr. 18

Telemark fylke, Bø, Lunde i Bø, Ministerialbok nr. 8 (1849-1861), Inn- og utflyttede 1855, Side 362
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1351/348

 

 

[Lars E. Øyane]

Innlegg #22:

 

Hjarteleg takk til Anton og Grethe for dei siste innleggi!

 

Med dei to borni Henry og Julie meinte eg i utgongspunktet dei to steborni som er nemnde i 1870, og dei er jo på sett og vis identifiserte, men kanskje døydde dei i ung alder, og Tollef kalla dei opp att med tredje kona si...

 

Elles er opphavet til Kari Halvorsdotter «på plass».

 

Derimot oppdaga eg at eg framleis manglar ein annan detalj:

 

* Utvandringsåret til Tollef Reierson Espelien frå Sør-Aurdal?  Det står noko om at han var 19 år då han utvandra, men det ser ut til å vera litt usemje om det nøyaktige året...

 

Og so var det dato og stad for fødsli til Herman...?

 

Ein ny kjempetakk for framifrå bistand i freistnadane på å komplettera denne huslyden!

[Grethe Flood]

???? - hvilken Tollef er dette tro?

 

11 timer siden, Grethe Flood skrev:

???

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMM2-FZ7

Navn: Tollef Toresen
Event Date: 1855
Event Place: Deerfield, Dane, Wisconsin
Residence Place: Deerfield, Dane, Wisconsin
Number of White Females: 4
Number of White Males: 1
Foreign Born: 3
Digital Folder Number: 004245037
Image Number: 479
Record Number: 13304
 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

10 hours ago, Lars E. Øyane said:

* Utvandringsåret til Tollef Reierson Espelien frå Sør-Aurdal?  Det står noko om at han var 19 år då han utvandra, men det ser ut til å vera litt usemje om det nøyaktige året...

 

En komplisert familie denne. Kanskje Tollef kom med familien.

Kanskje dette er faren hans?

 

Reier Thoreson

in the U.S., Find a Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:Reier Thoreson

Birth Date:25 Sep 1808

Birth Place:Oppland fylke, Norway

Death Date:28 Apr 1897

Death Place:Wisconsin, United States of America

Cemetery:Mount Horeb Union Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:Mount Horeb, Dane County, Wisconsin, United States of America

Has Bio?:N

Spouse:Bertha Thoreson

Children:Peter ToresonArne ThoresonChristian Thoreson

 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158227308/reier-thoreson

 

1880 FT 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN4L-KQ2

 

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/MXTW-D39

 

 

 

Endret August 14, 2021 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Og hans andre ekteskap? Kvinner kan være mor til Rasmus (Robert)?

 

Tollef Reiersen

 in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969

Name:Tollef Reiersen

Gender:Male

Record Type:Marriage 

Marriage Date:31 Aug 1862

Marriage Place:Dane, Wisconsin, USA

Father:Ricen Thoresen

Mother:Berthe Thoresen

Spouse:Ragnild Olsdtr

Church Name:Perry Norwegian Lutheran Church

Church Location:Dane County, Wisconsin

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti=0&indiv=try&db=elcabmd&h=827594