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Larry Halvorsen

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If anyone is still interested in this topic.  There are currently many posts on Jager/Jaeger/Jaeger miners in Kongsberg on norwayheritage.com

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Could you, please, be a little bit more precise, Larry? Are you looking for accurate information about certain individuals, or more general information about the family?

 

Here is a link to the previous topic: 

 

 

And here is what I guess are the posts on norwayheritage.com you refer to:

Norway Heritage Community - Kongsberg Marriages and Farm maps 

 

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I am looking for information on Anders Christoffersen born in Ovre Eiker (circa 1673-1722).  He had three sons that were silver miners in Kongsberg and show in the Solverk Mantalls (Ole Andersen Jaeger (1709), Christoffer Andersen Jaeger (1705), and Hans Andersen Jaeger (1715).  He also had two or three daughters.  One Elen or Eli (1718) is apparently in Kongsberg as well, and shows as godparent to some later births.  Curious if Jaeger or Jager is a place where miners may have lived.  I have found many more "Jagers", but can't fit them in this family.

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I should add farm name from Ovre Eiker: Schodtzelven and/ or Skodselv.  There is also a very short farm name in the dode book for Anders.  I have been hoping to find the skifte since he died leaving young children (also would like to know wife's name). I have been going through the probate cards using the previous names with no luck.  See Link that follows:

 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061220610349 dode-1722

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Larry, are you quite sure at the guy you linked to is the right one, aged 99?

 

To me it looks like that there was at least four families with the surname Jæger living in Kongsberg in the 18th Century, and I'm not sure that there are any connection between them, except that they shared the same surname. You could be absolutely sure that Jæger wasn't a place where miners lived. Jæger - modern spelling Jeger - means Hunter in English, and there is no such placename anywhere in Norway. In addition to the usual meaning of this word, the name might also mean that an ancestor had served in an army unit called Det Norske Jægerkorps - the Norwegian Hunter Corps - with a history dating back to 1628.

 

It is well past midnight in Norway now. Thus, more tomorrow!

 

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I read the age as 49, and that fit with other information that Ole started in the mines at age 12.  That is the widow moved to Kongsberg after Anders death

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I guess you are right, Larry! When I look at it again I see that it's more likely that it should be read 49 then 99.

 

However, I have no information that Ole started working in the mines at the age of 12. The sources say that he had been on the payroll for 8 years in 1729 and for 12 years in 1732, which means that he probably started to work in 1720 or 1721. His likely brother Kristoffer is said to have been on the payroll for 14 years in 1732. So, if this was their father, they must have started while their father was still alive. One possible explanation is that they started to worn in the mines close to Skotselv belonging to Hassel Jernverk, and were creditted his experience there when he moved to Kongsberg.

 

I have been looking into what might have been Ole and his sibling's origin at Skotselv, and these were probably their parents' children (I'm using modern spelling of names):

 

Kristoffer

Baptized: 1705-11-15

Anders Christophersøn - Church book from Eiker parish 1705-1724 (0624P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

Sponsors:

Christentze Leversby

Anne Nilsdatter

Anders Sørensen Var

Jens Olsen, sawmill master

Hans Engebretsen, blacksmith

 

Sissel

Baptized: 1707-12-04

Anders Christophersøn - Church book from Eiker parish 1705-1724 (0624P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

Burried 1708-02-05, aged 11 weeks lesser 1 dag

Sponsors:

Christentze Leversby

Sissel Mortensdatter

Peder Halvorsen

Børge Børgesen

Mikkel Lauritsen (Larsen)

 

Ole

Baptized: 1709-12-08

Anders Christophersøn - Church book from Eiker parish 1705-1724 (0624P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

Sponsors:

Marte Skott

Åse Larsdatter

Halvor Kristoffersen

Børge Børgesen

Halvor Lauritsen (Larsen)

 

Sissel

Baptized: 1712-05-29

Anders Christophersøn - Church book from Eiker parish 1705-1724 (0624P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

Sponsors:

Christentze Leversby

Sara Olsdatter Knive

Børge Børgesen

Lars (Olsen) Leversby

Lauge Mortensen

 

Hans

Baptized: 1715-06-10

Anders Christophersøn - Church book from Eiker parish 1705-1724 (0624P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

Sponsors:

Christentze Leversby

Sara (Olsdatter) Knive

Lars (Olsen) Leversby

Lars Olsen

Lauge Mortensen

 

Eli

Baptized: 1718-04-05

Anders Christophersøn - Church book from Eiker parish 1705-1724 (0624P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

Sponsors:

Sara Olsdatter (Knive)

Dorte Jørgensdatter

Lars (Olsen) Leversby

Jens Enevoldsen

Ole Olsen Leversby

 

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Here is what I have been able to find out about most of the sponsors: 

 

Børge Børgesen (1707, 1709, 1712), born long before 1680 as a son of Katrine Stensdatter and a Børge, married 1700 Dorte Halvorsdatter of Skotselven.

 

Christentze (Hansdatter) Leversby (1705, 1707, 1712,1715), married to Ole Rasmussen (c1631-1722) at Leversby nordre, in 1723 she is reported to be blind and bedridden.

 

Dorte Jørgensdatter (1718), married 1721 Søren Ottersen of Skotselven.

 

Halvor Kristoffersen of Skotselven (1709), married 1708-11-18 Sissel Mortensdatter; burried 1713-03-02, aged 42 years 7 weeks.

 

Halvor Lauritsen (Larsen) (1709), married 1715 Åse Syversdatter.

 

Hans Engebretsen (1705), blacksmith, son of Engebret blacksmith and Anne Mikkelsdatter of Skotselven.

 

Jens Enevoldsen (1718), married 1714 Sissel Mortensdatter, Halvor Kristoffersen Skotselven’s widow.

 

Jens Olsen (1705), sawmill master, married 1705 Eli Nilsdatter Kolbrekkeie, known child: Sissel (1705, Anders Kristoffersen was a sponsor).

 

Lars (Olsen) Leversby (1712, 1715, 1718), died 1737, aged 73

 

Lauge Mortensen (1712,1715), son of tailor Morten Laugesen (c1644-1709) and wife Helle, married 1717 Gunhild Ottersdatter Skotselven (c1698-1734).

 

Mikkel Lauritsen (Larsen) of Skotselven (1707), married 1710 Johanne Pålsdatter.

 

Ole Olsen Leversby (1718), son of Ole and Christentze Leversby.

 

Peder Halvorsen (1707), married 1705-11-01 Marte Kristoffersdatter of Skotselven, children: Sissel (1706), Ingeborg (1707, among the sponsors Anders Kristoffersen), Halvor (1711), Sissel (1713), Malene (1716), Kristoffer (1719, among the sponsors Ole Kristoffersen), Jens (1722). Marte burried 1729-02-06 without age.

 

Sara Olsdatter Knive (1712, 1715, 1718), daughter of Ole and Christentze Leversby, married 1706 Svend Larsen Knive.

 

Sissel Mortensdatter (1707), daughter of tailor Morten Laugesen and wife Helle, married 1708 Halvor Kristoffersen Skotselven, married 2nd time 1714 Jens Enevoldsen.

 

Åse Larsdatter (Lauritsdatter) (1709), married 1704 Engebret Gulliksen

 

 

It is my guess that Anders Kristoffersen, Halvor Kristoffersen and Marte Kristoffersdatter were siblings. 

 

If so, a likely candidate as their mother is Sissel Halvorsdatter (c1637-1704) of Skotselven, burried 1704-01-27, aged 66 years and 10 months ( # 6 ) :

SAKO, Eiker kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0001: Parish register (official) no. I 1 /1, 1683-1704
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061219670201 
 

A likely father is Kristoffer Olsen (c1630-1702) of «Munkhoven», Skotselven, burried 1702-03-25, aged 72 years ( # 5 ) :

SAKO, Eiker kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0001: Parish register (official) no. I 1 /1, 1683-1704
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061219670198 
 

He is mentioned as a baptism sponsor in 1689 and 1701, probably in 1694 and perhaps in 1698, too. If the one in 1698 actually was him, he was a tailor. 
 

 

Halvor Kristoffersen's burrial on 1713-03-02 ( # 11 ) :

SAKO, Eiker kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. I 6 /1, 1705-1733
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061220610313 

 

Marte Kristoffersdatter's burrial on 1729-02-06 ( # 18 ) :

SAKO, Eiker kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. I 6 /1, 1705-1733
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061220610363 

 

Sissel Andersdatter's burrial on 1708-02-05 ( # 10 ) :

SAKO, Eiker kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. I 6 /1, 1705-1733
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061220610297 

 

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There are seven known different Censuses of mining employees (sølvverksmanntall) in Kongsberg between 1711 and 1805: 1711, 1724, 1729, 1732, 1765, 1771 and 1805. Not all of them have been published so far. That is the 1729 and the partial 1771 censuses.

 

Here are those names I have been able to find with the surname Jæger and similar in those censuses - in 1724 two possible canidates:

 

 

1711:

 

None

 

 

1724:               

 

Hans (Hansen) Jeger, 22 years old, born in Kongsberg, renting house, been on the payroll for 15 years (10 years as a «dreng» and 5 years as a «spenger»).

 

(probably) Kristoffer Andersen, 17 years old, born in Hokksund (Øvre Eiker), been on the payroll for 5 years (3 years as a «dreng», 1 years as a «knekt» and 1 years as a «sprenger».

 

(perhaps) Ole Andersen, 16 years old, born in Hof Parish (Vestfold), been on the payroll for 4,5 years (4 years as a «dreng» and 0,5 years as a «spenger», living with his mother.

 

 

1729:

 

Bertel (Hansen) Jäger, 30 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a heuer, been on the payroll for 22 years (11 years as a «junge», 4 years as a «knekt/spenger» and 4 years as a heuer), living with his parents.

 

Hans Hansen Jäger, 27 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a heuer, been on the payroll for 18 years (10 years as a «junge», 6 years as a «sprenger/knekt» and 2 years as a heuer, living with his parents.

 

Hans Andersen, 13 years old, born by Hasselverket, works as a «junge», 0 years on the payroll.

 

Ole Andersen, 18 years old, born at Hassel Jernverk, works as a «knekt or sprenger», been on the payroll for 8 years (6 years as a «junge» and 2 years as a «knekt/sprenger», living with his parents.

 

 

1732:

                         

Bertel Hansen Jæger, 33 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a «knekt» at Kongensgruvedam, been on the payroll for 25 years, married, 0 children, owns his own house in Kongsberg.

 

Hans Andersen Jæger, 16 years old, born at Hassel Jernverk, works as a «gruvejunge» in the Willen Gottes Mine, has been on the payroll for 9 years, living with his mother, his father was a farmer.

 

Hans Hansen Jæger, 30 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a «knekt» at St. Jakobs dam, been on the payroll for 22 years, widower, 1 child, living with his father in Kongsberg, his father is/was a melter.

 

Kristoffer Andersen Jæger, 27 years old, born at Hassel Jernverk, works as a heuer in the Charlotta Amalie Mine, been on the payroll for 14 years, living with his mother in Kongsberg, his father was a farmer.

 

Lars Eriksen Jæger, 14 years old, born i Hokksund (Øvre Eiker), works as a «slemmer» at the Mildigkeit Gottes Crushing Plant, been on the payroll for 1 year, living with a man i Sandsvær.

 

Ole Andersen Jæger, 22 years old, born at Hassel Jernverk, works as a «ausschläger» at the Segen Gottes Mine, been on the payroll for 12 years, liveds with his mother, has been wounded by shooting (i.e. blasting) so that he no longer can work in the mine.

 

 

1765:

 

Hans Håkonsen Jæger, 24 years old, born i Kongsberg, works as a heuer at 3rd revier, has been on the payroll for 22 years, his first workplace was at 3rd revier’s crushing plant, married, 1 daughter, owns his own house in Kongsberg.

 

Kristoffer (Håkonsen) Jæger, 32 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a «spenger» at 3rd revier, been on the payroll for 20 years, his first workplase was at 3rd revier, married, 1 son (not on the payroll), owns his own house in Kongsberg.

 

Nikolai Olsen Jæger, 16 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a «dreng» at 2nd revier, been on the payroll for 6 years, his first workplace was at 2nd revier, lives with his father, who is a miner.

 

Ole Andersen Jæger, 57 years old, born at Eiker, been on the payroll for 45 years, works as a heuer at 2nd revier, the Great crushing plant was his first workplace, married, 2 sons (both on the payroll), owns his own house in Kongsberg.

 

Per Olsen Jæger, 24 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a «sprenger» at 1st revier, his first workplace was at 2nd revier, living with his father, who is a miner.

 

 

1771:

 

Hans H(åkonsen) Jæger, 37 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a heuer in the Hertzog Ulrich Mine, been on the payroll for 29 years, married, 2 children.

 

Håkon B(ertelsen) Jæger, 25 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a «kunstknekt» at the St. Andreas skjerp (prospect), been on the payroll for 17 years.

 

Kristoffer H(åkonsen) Jæger, 40 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a heuer in the Hertzog Ulrik Mine, been on the payroll for 19 years, married, 2 children.

 

Nikolai O(lsen) Jæger, 22 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a heuer on chord in the Julius (Juels) Mine, been on the payroll for 13 years, married, 0 children.

 

Ole Andersen Jæger, 64 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a heuer «on forting» (another chord system) in the Prince Christian Mine, been on the payroll for 56 years, married, 2 children.

 

Per Olsen Jæger, 30 years old, born i Kongsberg, works as a heuer «on forting» (another chord system) in the Prince Christian Mine, been on the payroll for 20 years, married, 2 children.

 

 

1805:

 

Lars Nikolaisen Jæger, 29 years old, baptized on 1776-12-28, lives in Kongsberg, works as a «borhauer» at the Queen Juliane Mine, married, 2 children, ordinary monthly salary 4 1/2 riksdaler (dollar), dismissed with 2 years of severance pay.

 

Martin Nikolaisen Jæger, 13 years old, baptizen on 1792-12-29, lives in Kongsberg, works as a «dreng» at PA, unmarried, ordinary monthly salary 17, delivered a health cetificate and was granted pension in 5 years.

 

Ole Nikolaisen Jæger, 31 years old, baptizen on 1774-03-31, lives in Kongsberg, works as a «borhauer» at AR, married, 1 child, ordinary monthly salary 4 1/2 riksdaler, dismissed with 2 years of severance pay given him as advance payment.

 

 

Explanation or translation of some of the words:

 

Ausschläger: Unloading the barrels with ore hoisted up from a mine (typical work for wounded miners)

Dreng/Junge: Both words mean boy, a young lad working at a crushing plant or in a mine

Borhauer: A heuer drilling holes in the rock to prepare blasting

Gruvejunge: A boy working inside a mine

Heuer (Norwegian «hauer»), a skilled miner

Knekt: Operator of mining equipment in- or outside a mine

Kunstknekt: Operator of a hoisting machine

Revier: A district, the mines in the Kongsberg Area were divided into four reviers

Slemmer: Separating ore form rock in a crushing plant

Sprenger: Literally «blaster», an unskilled miner

 

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Confirmations with the surname Jæger in Kongsberg:

 

1745-04-25:    Marta Hansdatter Jæger

1745-04-25:    Nils Andersen Jæger

1758-10-01:    Peder Olsen Jæger

1759-09-30:    Kristoffer Håkonsen Qvantza or Jæger

1764-09-30:    Nikolai Olsen Jæger

1769-10-08:    Håkon Bertelsen Jæger

1785-10-02:    Anne Margrete Nikolaisdatter Jæger

1787-04-15:    Berte Maria Pedersdatter Jæger

1789-04-19:    Ole Nikolaisen Jæger

1790-04-11:    Anne Kirstine Pedersdatter Jæger

1791-10-02:    Lars Nikolaisen Jæger

1794-10-05:    Karen Kirstine Nikolaisdatter Jæger

1795-10-04:    Marte Mari Pedersdatter Jæger

1800-04-20:    Anne Pedersdatter Jæger

1808-04-24:    Martin Nikolaisen Jæger

 

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Weddings with the surname Jæger in Kongsberg:

 

1724-06-02:  Hans Hansen Jæger and Marta Torkildsdatter

1732-01-30:   Håkon Hansen and Anne Hansdatter Jæger

1736-11-03:   Ole Andersen (Jæger) and Anne Andersdatter

1737-06-01:   Ole Johansen Finne and Ingeborg Hansdatter Jæger

1738-05-03:   Bertel Hansen Jæger and Marte Nilsdatter

1739-06-23:   Hans Andersen Jæger and Helene Pettersdatter Hachner

1742-11-17:    Ole Olsen Småland and Anne Hansdatter Jæger, the widow of Håkon Hansen

1744-07-21:   Jonas Jæger, goldsmith, and Fredrika Lovisa Tillich

1744-11-14:    Rafael Gabrielsen and Karen Hansdatter Jæger

1747-12-17:    Amund Halvorsen Oterbekk and Ellen Andersdatter Jæger, the widow of Jens Kristensen Skott, pensioner

1747-06-29:   Hans Andersen Jæger, widower, and Kristine Nilsdatter Gås

1747-12-02:   Nils Andersen Jæger and Bodil Maria Isaksdatter

1753-07-31:   Peder Guttormsen Møller or Bakke and Marta Nilsdatter, the widow of Bertel Jæger, pensioner

1754-04-13:   Nils Mikkelsen Hassel and Bodil Maria Isaksdatter, the widow of Nils Andersen Jæger

1760-05-03:   Kristoffer Håkonsen Qvantza or Jæger and Anne Kristine Martinsdatter

1767-08-15:    Peder Olsen Jæger and Maria Larsdatter Rustand, from Fiskum

1767-11-21:    Morten Klemetsen Eleonora and Ingeborg Jensdatter Jæger

1771-05-16:    Nikolai Olsen Jæger and Kirsten Mogensdatter Rørås

1773-05-08:   Hans Håkonsen Qvantza or Jæger and Ellen Marie Valentinsdatter Hartou

1774-02-05:   Håkon Bertelsen Jæger and Karine Jakobsdatter Frantsen

1779-05-08:   Johan Larsen Scheen and Maren or Maria Bertelsdatter Jæger

1794-05-31:   Peter Andersen Skanke and Anne Margrete Nikolaisdatter Jæger

1795-12-05:   Nikolai Olsen Jæger, widower, and Kari Amundsdatter Bø (should be Anundsdatter)

1796-02-20:   Fredrik Thomassen Rødder and Karine Jakobsdatter, the widow of Håkon Bertelsen Jæger, pensioner

1798-08-25:   Ole Pedersen Hvitsten and Maria Larsdatter, the widow of Peder Olsen Jæger, pensioner

1799-08-01:   Lars Nikolaisen Jæger and Sissel Sørensdatter Hvam

1800-11-01:    Halvor Halvorsen and Anne Kirstine Pedersdatter Jæger

1803-06-25:   Ole Nikolaisen Jæger, miner, and Guri Nilsdatter, wedded in Sandsvær

1806-05-10:   Johan Johannessen Lind, widower, and Berte Maria Pedersdatter Jæger

 

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Wow.  I am overwhelmed.  I guess the first question relates to the name Jager/Jaeger.  Do you think all these Jagers are related?  It seems unlikely to me, but most of the Norwegians that comment do not see Jager as a living place or farm. If father Anders moved with the family to Kongsberg then I should resume looking there for a probate.  Although, it looks like many of the questions that a skifte could answer already have been answered.   Sounds like Martin Nicolaisen was sickly kid.  I have him living to March 1853; died in Solberg, Oyestad. 

I am not familiar with SAKO, it looks like I should be.  I started work on this over 20 years ago reading microfilm at LDS library several towns over.  Picked it up again, but not aware yet of the sources now available.

 

It is amazing that you can find the mine these men worked in, and if they got a pension!

 

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I see that I in my previous posting have used some abbreviations regarding workplaces and salary in 1805. Thus, here is a new and correct version with the corrections in italics.

 

1805:

 

Lars Nikolaisen Jæger, 29 years old, baptized on 1776-12-28, lives in Kongsberg, works as a «borhauer» in the Queen Juliane Mine, married, 2 children, ordinary monthly salary 4 1/2 riksdaler (dollar), dismissed with 2 years of severance pay.

 

Martin Nikolaisen Jæger, 13 years old, baptizen on 1792-12-29, lives in Kongsberg, works as a «dreng» in the Prince of Augustenborg Mine, unmarried, ordinary monthly salary 1 3/4 riksdaler, delivered a health cetificate and was granted pension in 5 years.

 

Ole Nikolaisen Jæger, 31 years old, baptizen on 1774-03-31, lives in Kongsberg, works as a «borhauer» in the Armen Mine, married, 1 child, ordinary monthly salary 4 1/2 riksdaler, dismissed with 2 years of severance pay given him as advance payment.

 

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Larry, as I wrote in a previous posting, these names belong to at least four different families. And except for three names, the rest of the names seem to belong either to your family or to a family where the surname was inherited both through male and female branches. I have been unable to find the origin of this other family with surtainty. But I do have found some indications that they were from Skotselv as well, where I find the name Bertel at Leversby. So, perhaps there is a connection between them from there. Have you found any indication of interaction between the two families in Kongsberg?

 

No, the name Jæger does not come from a place where they might have lived. It is a title, corresponding to Hunter in English. 

 

There are no probates available in Kongsberg before 1739. The reason why we don't find any probate in Skotselv, is probably that the Hassel Jernverk due to the mining legislation had its own jurisdiction, and, thus, those belonging to its jurisdiction are not to be found in the ordinary probate registration protocols. It is the same for Kongsberg, but there the civil jurisdiction was split apart from the mining company in the late 1730s.

 

The reason why pensions are mentioned when widows remarried, is that they had a small pension after their late husbands, which they lost when remarrying. The sexton frequently reported to the company's payroll masters about such items. To be titled to receive a full pension, you must had worked for at least 12 or 14 years, except for those who became unable after work related accidents.

 

SAKO is short for Statsarkivet på Kongsberg, or The State Archives in Kongsberg, and is where records from the three counties of Buskerud, Vestfold and Telemark are kept.

 

Larry, is Martin Nicolaisen your branch? If so, there is one question you might be able to answer: I'm wondering what happended to his father's second wife, Kari Anundsdatter Bø, after Nicolai Olsen died in 1802?

 

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One so far unsolved question is the name of Anders Kristoffersen's wife and mother to his children. I find no wedding that by any meaning could be his in or nearby Eiker in the years up to the batism for his first child, Kristoffer, in 1705. One possible reason is that she was from Modum, just a few miles north of Skotselv. The Hassel Jernverk had its mines in the mountain range that forms the border between Eiker and Modum. And there are no church records available for Modum that early. Another option is that the vicar just forgot to register this wedding in his records.

 

We know from the mining censuses at the children in the early 1730s lived with their mother. As I see it, there are two possible way to find out more about her:

 

1) If she died after 1 Feb 1739 it likely that she could be found burried in the church records for Kongsberg with a reference to her late husband and that she was from Eiker/Skotselv.

 

2) It this doesn't give the answer, it may be in the "kommunikantprotokoll". In this protocol the sexton registered every person that received the Holy Communion, which most people did twice a year. There you should look for her known children and if they went to the communion together with their mother.

 

These protocols are to be found here: Finn kilde - Digitalarkivet 

 

The first time Kristoffer and Ole Anderssønner Jæger are mentioned there is 1732-04-20, but I don't see anyone that I suspect to be their mother among the other names on that page.

 

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, M/Ma/L0001: Communicants register no. 1, 1731-1739, p. 15
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb10311404080007 


However, the quality of the records improved the comming years, making it easier to connect persons to each other. And on 1733-11-08 I found Anders Kristoffersen's widow Ingeborg and son Kristoffer. Was this her?

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, M/Ma/L0001: Communicants register no. 1, 1731-1739, p. 73
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb10311404080065 

 

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I wonder how you found the sponsor information?  My experience is it's hard because you have no DOB unless there is a proximate census.  I was looking for a sponsor of Ole  Nicolaisen Jager (b. 31 March 1774) named Abellone Catherine Nicolaisdatter Lyindt.  The interest was due to the Nicolai in her name.  I was trying to find who was the original Nicolai namesake. Ole Nicolaisens' wife's family had no Nicolai that I can find.

 

 The name Kjaers is attached to another family of miners that married an ancestor down in Oyestad.  They were Christian Christiansen Kjaers (1784), Christian Jorgensen Kjaers (1784), Jorgen Christiansen Kiars (1722-1778)  and Christian Jorgensen (1705).  I wonder the origin  of that name  -- it seems odd.

 

On Kari Amundsdatter Bø (should be Anundsdatter) - I have wondered which is correct many times.  I have several Anunds on my g-father's side (Halvorsen) and the records are always mixed.  Are both names used? or is Amund usually a mistake.  One of the Anund's,  Anund Halvorsen (b. 1840 in Sandsvær, Langhangen-Reine eie has been an unsolved mystery.  He was a seaman ---- no death or marriage record could be found.  Possibly lost at sea or settled overseas.  Perhaps some new data has come to pass.

 

I did not have the "Bo" farm for Kari/Karen

 

The life spans for the likely parents (repeated below) for Anders seem to intersect the two 1660 census's but I am not sure about whether they would include Skotselven .  I took a quick look and  concluded it is unlikely I can read that gothic script well enough to find them anyway.  Is the format of these census's such that they would be shown as a family?  Or male only?  Are these old census's something practical to use for a Norwegian?

 

 

Sissel Halvorsdatter (c1637-1704) of Skotselven, burried 1704-01-27, aged 66 years and 10 months ( # 6 ) :

SAKO, Eiker kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0001: Parish register (official) no. I 1 /1, 1683-1704 and

 Kristoffer Olsen (c1630-1702) of «Munkhoven», Skotselven, buried 1702-03-25, aged 72 years ( # 5 ) :

SAKO, Eiker kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0001: Parish register (official) no. I 1 /1, 1683-1704
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061219670198 

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Since it is late in Norway, just a very brief answer on the censuses of the 1660s: Yes, I find them to be vital. And I have solved many cases thanks to them. Infortunately they mention males only, except when a women was the head of her farm. And, yes, Skotselv is included. And there I in 1666 find mentioned a Kristoffer Olsen, aged 29 (third left page) :

RA, Vicar's Census 1664-1666, no. 9: Bragernes deanery, 1664-1666, p. 212-213
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ft10051005120113 
 

This may be him, stated age at funerals is not always very accurate.

 

More about the other issues later.

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Dag,

 

First, I would say your find of the mother Ingebor in the communicants list must be correct.  Too bad no father's name or farm.  Ingebor Marie (14 May 1739) was a daughter of Hans Andersen Jager.  An Ingebor Hansdatter was also a sponsor for Peder, son of Ole Andersen Jager born 14 Feb 1743, but at age 4 probably not same Ingebor. Could it be the mother -- if born circa 1680, she could be alive at 63.

 

  Yes, Martin Nicolaisen is my branch - down to g-grandfather Eric Nicolaisen.  I have been a little confused about Kari and her father Anund Halvorsen Oderbekkis.  I have a wife for him of Elen Andersdatter Jager based on 17 Dec 1746 marriage.  Is this Eli Andersdatter, now age 28? Kari's first husband may have been Jens Christoffersen? Schott.  The next year (30 Dec 1747) they had a 1st son Jens; Berthel Jagers and Christopher Andersen Jager were sponsors.  2nd son Jens (10 Aug 1749) had Berthel Jagers and Hans Andersen Jager as sponsors.   Karen and Nicolai had a child Margrete Marie Nicolaisdatter in 1800.  She must have died young, as they are found in the 1801 census with Martin as the only child recorded.  Karen born 3 April 1756 had Hans Andersen Jager as a sponsor. I could find nothing of her after 1801.

 

  As far as sorting out the Jaeger/Jagers, here are some connections:

 

There are several with Niels Andersen Jagers -son Isaac  (11 Aug 1749) and daughter Anna Marie (29 Aug 1750) have Ole Jagers and Ole Andersen Jager as sponsors. Son Niels (5 May 1753) also has Ole Jager as sponsor. Niels Michelsen Hassel married Niels widow Boel  Marie Isaacsdatter 13 June 1754.

 

Kiersten (1 Dec 1743) born to Hans Andersen Jagers has Elen Andersdatter and Ole Andersen Jager as sponsors.

 

26 March 1741,  Bertel Hansen Jagers has datter Anna; Ole Hansen Jagers and Christopher Haagensen sponsors.

 

6 Jan 1740 Bertel Jagers has son Anders.

 

17 Sept 1740 Ole Andersen Jagers has son Anders.  Eli Andersdatter Jager and Christopher Andersen Jager are sponsors.

 

In 1743 (#161) Hans Andersen Jagers had daughter Kiersten. Elen Andersdatter and Ole Andersen Jager were sponsors.

 

on 30 July 1743 a Hans Iversen Landeggis had son Anders. Johanna Andersdatter, Ole Andersen Shiott and Ole Andersen Jager were sponsors.

 

 The names of possible relatives Hans Andersen Wejden and Ingbret Olsen appear in the 1766 (#161) skifte for Ole Andersen's wife Anne.  Could Hans Andersen Wejden be Ole's brother Hans Andersen Jager?

 

There was an Andreas Nicolai born in 1756 to to Ole Andersen Hassels?  Could this be another son to Ole Andersen Jager now working at Hassels site?We must assume Andreas Nicolai died before his mother Anne since he is not in skifte.

 

There is a 24 June 1753 marriage between Lars Christensen Roer from Ring Jager and Helle Halvorsdatter Hassel fra Modum.  Does the farm "Ring Jager" give any clues? there is also a Ring Lager reference on prior page 258.

 

I will go a look for death of Ingebor,

 

Tussen Takk

 

Larry

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Larry. Ref to your posting above. Bø could be Anund, Kari Anundsdatter. Do you know when she as born?

Reg. Anund Halvorsen. He was born on Langtangen under Reine Dec. 5. 1840, bapt Amund Halvorsen.

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Kari was daughter to Anund Sjulsen Bø 1713-1783 and Karen Tollefsdatter Hvam 1723-1766.

Kongsberg church dec 5. 1795: Nicolai Olsen Jæger, widower, and Kari Anundsdatter (wrongspelled Amundsdatter) Bø.

2 column, 2 wedding from top https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8574/355

 

Time to close the lamp in Norweay 

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Let me take your questions one by one:

 

 

How I found the sponsor information? Skotselv and the surrounding Bakke subparish was (and is) a small and very close society, and, thus, it is possible to identify a large part of the inhabitants through either the church records, probate registrations or both.

 

 

Abellone Cathrine Nicolaisdatter Lyindt: Her surname wasn’t Lyindt but Sundtz. Her parents were Nicolai Pedersen Sundtz and his third wife Maren Mikkelsdatter. Nikolai’s father was Peder Christensen Sundtz, a merchant, who came to Kongsberg from Jutland in Denmark in 1695. I have seen a suggestion that he originally was from Hamburg, Germany, but that is not confirmed. Thus, I do not believe that there in this case was any original namesake. This surname was written in many different ways, perhaps Sunds is the most correct one.

 

However, Nikolai and Nils and variations of the same name, and Nils is among the most common names in Norway. I have so far been unable to find the baptism of Ole Andersen Jæger’s likely brother Nils. He must have been born about the time his father died. That puts a limit to when his mother was born, not later than the mid 1670s. My guess is that Nikolai was named in the same tradition as Nils, but perhaps his parents wanted to use this other variation.

 

 

Anund/Amund: It is a well known problem in Norwegian genealogy that these two named are confused in the sources, Even though they are different names, they sounds almost the same. Kåre has already told you who Kari’s parents were.

 

Consequently, she was not Amund or Anund Halvorsen Oterbekk’s daughter.

 

Yes, he was married to Eli Andersdatter Jæger in her second marriage. Eli, Elen and Ellen are variations of the same name and was used interchangeably at the time. And, yes, she was married first time 1744-11-14 to Jens Kristensen Skott. I use this spelling because Skott is a farm name, close to Skotselv and which Skotselv has got its name from (Skotselv means Skott’s river). Here is his father’s probate card, telling that Jens was dead, but had one daughter:

SAKO, Eiker, Modum og Sigdal sorenskriveri, H, 1676-1828, p. 4505

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20100224634507

 

 

Bertel Hansen Jæger as a sponsor for two of her children in her second marriage is a strong indication of a connection between the two Jæger Families. As mentioned before, I suspect that Bertel’s family descended from Skotselv too.

 

Hans David Iversen Landegga did actually belong to a branch of my family. My branch claimed the Landegga Farm back from his branch in 1667. On 1734-04-07 he married a Karen Andersdatter. I don’t know who she was.

 

Hans Andersen Weidau: He was stated to be at the age of 54 in 1765. Ole Andersen Jæger’s wife was Anne Andersdatter. I do not so far know who she was. I was thinking that she might have been his sister, but other probates in the Weidau Family tell me that she wasn’t. Here is her probate:

Anne Andersdtr - Probate register for Kongsberg town bailiff, Overbergamtet and Sønnafjelske bergamt 1705-1801 - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no)

 

Ole Andersen Hassel: No, he was another man.

 

1753-03-24: Ole Christensen Røer from Ringsaker. Ringsaker is a parish between Hamar and Lillehammer, in the area where the 1994 Winter Olympics took place.

 

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Kjærs: I have been wondering about this surname a number of times. What I’ve been able to find out is that this name probably was shared by more than one family without any known connection between them. In the mining census of 1765, four individuals with varations of the surname are mentioned:

Jørgen Christiansen Kiertz - Manntall ved Kongsberg Sølvverk 1765 - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no)

Ole Nielsen Kiertz - Manntall ved Kongsberg Sølvverk 1765 - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no)

Jens Christoffers Kiærs - Manntall ved Kongsberg Sølvverk 1765 - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no)

Ole Christoffersen Kiærs - Manntall ved Kongsberg Sølvverk 1765 - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no)

 

I see that other sources use the same spelling for those variations used here.

 

No 2 is probably unrelated to any of the three others, his father move in from Skien, Telemark.

 

No 3 and 4 belonged to the same family, and in this case the spelling of their surname during the 18th Century had been changed from Kirsch to Kjærs, probably because that was how it was pronounced.

 

Larry, are you sure that you have the correct line of this family? According to Jørgen Kristiansen Kjærs’ probate in 1768 his parents’ names were Kristian Bastiansen and Maria:

Iørgen Christiansen Kiers - Probate register for Kongsberg town bailiff, Overbergamtet and Sønnafjelske bergamt 1705-1801 - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no)

 

His father is mining censuses:

 

1732: Kristian Bastiansen Kirsch, 30 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a «knekt» at Kongensgruvedam, has been on the payroll for 20 years, married, 1 child, rents house in Sandsvær.

 

1729: Christian Bastiansen, 25 years old, born in Kongsberg, works as a «hauer», been on the payroll for 12,5 years (5 years as a «junge» 6 years as a «sprenger/knekt» and 1,5 years as a heuer), rents a room by Beate Resch.

 

1724: Christian Bastiansen, 20 years old, born i Kongsberg, been on the payroll for 10 years (7 years as a «dreng», 1 year as a «knekt» and 2 years as a «sprenger».

Christian Bastiansen - Manntall ved Kongsberg Sølvverk 1724 - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no)

 

On 1730-11-07 he married a Maria Jensdatter:

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0002: Parish register (official) no. I 2, 1721-1743, p. 476-477

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316610257

 

But, his son Jørgen was baptized more than one year in advance, on 1729-10-23 in Eiker:

Chrestian Bastiansen - Church book from Eiker parish 1724-1753 (0624P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no)

 

In the original it is spesified that he was from Kongsberg.

 

He was baptized on 1704-04-13, sponsors: Johannes Ziener, Caspar Hachner, Ole Timansen, Sissel Buchbach and the young Helena Hachner’s:

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0001: Parish register (official) no. I 1, 1696-1720, p. 41-42

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070315660660

 

Probably his parents’ wedding 1699-05-19: Bastian Keris and Johanne Christiansdatter:

SAKO, Kongsberg kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0001: Parish register (official) no. I 1, 1696-1720, p. 401-402

Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316610010

 

She must have been his second (or more) wife; Bastian had a much older son named Kristoffer.

 

Bastian in the censuses:

 

1711: Bastian Kirsch, 44 years old, born in Kongsberg, 2 sons, has his own house in Kongsberg, been on the payroll for 34 years (8 years as a «junge», 9 years as a «knekt» and 17 years as a heuer).

Bastian Kirsch - Manntall ved Kongsberg Sølvverk 1711 - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no)

 

1724: Bastian Kirsck, 52 years old, born in Kongsberg, 2 sons, has his own house in Kongsberg, been on the payroll for 44 years (12 years as a dreng, 6 years as a «knekt», 7 years as a «sprenger», 14 years as a heuer and 5 years as a «understiger», i.e. junior foreman)

Bastian Kirsck - Manntall ved Kongsberg Sølvverk 1724 - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no)

 

1729: Bastian Kiersch, 60 years old, born in Kongsberg, 2 sons, rents his house, works as a «understiger», been on the payroll for 34 years (4 years as a «junge», 6 years as a «sprenger/knekt», 17 years as a heuer and 6 years as a «understiger».

 

1732: Bastian Kiertz, 63 years old, born in Eiker, works as a «nattstiger», i.e. junior foreman working at night, been on the payroll for 30 years, married, 0 children, owns his own house in Kongsberg.

 

In 1694 he is mentioned as a heuer in the Haus Sachsen Mine.

 

This family descends from the German blacksmith Georg Kirsch, immigrating to Kongsberg from the Electorate of Saxony in 1630. Jørgen is a Scandinavnian version of Georg. He is mentioned in the Kongsberg sources from June 1630. In 1646-47 he lived in a house on the northern side of 3rd Street (from the Church). The ground measured 12 x 23 meters. Counting from west, it was the 5th house on this side of this street, now known as Apotekergata, probably on the corner with Christian 4des gate, as marked on this map: Norgeskart

 

This information is taken from a number of so far unpublished censuses taken in Kongsberg in 1646 and 1647. There I read that he was married, having 4 children and used another surname as well, Oldenberger. He is mentioned as a mining blacksmith working at the Hertzog Ulrich Mine at least between 1630 and 1646 and at the Samuel’s Mine in 1657.

 

I don’t know whether or not Bastian was Georg’s son or there was another f\so far unknown generation in between.

 

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Dag,

 

  No I am not sure about the Kjaers line.  They were basically in-laws that I have not researched fully.  I was curious about the surname.  I have to spend some time absorbing all of this. I have not found any Ingebors that could be the mother up to 1755.  I did find the 1752 death of Niels, age 30, and it says "Samuels - ?" is where he came from.  The guy had a tragic life - he died and so did his children around the same time.  Perhaps Anne Andersdatter came from the same place? (see below)

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316610502 Left col, middle of page

 

I saw many more references to Ring sager and realized the name starts with S rather than J.

 

Kiersten Mogensdatter (Nicolai Olsen Jager's wife) was a Corporal.  I found the following in the dead book (under Christopher Olsen Lund) and wondered what the notation "v. Corporal" means

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316610501  Bottom page left, left column

 

Note in the probate Boel Isaacsdatter.  She was married first to Niels.  Maybe he Niels was brother of Anne Andersdatter?

Thanks again for all your help,

 

Larry Halvorsen, Aston PA

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Nils’ burial record 1752-10-19: Niels Anderß(en) Jæger, gift Mand, som ogsaa døde udi Stanken paa Samuels-grube, gl. 30 Aar, alle Kl(okker) fri.

 

That is: Nils Andersen Jæger, married man, who also died «in the stink» in the Samuel’s Mine, 30 years old, all bells free.

 

«Stanken» (i.e. the stink) was a word used for carbon monoxide poisoning in a mine. This word is, of course, quite deceptive since carbon monoxide is without any smell.

 

I believe that it is more likely that he was Ole’s brother than Anne’s.

 

 

The notation v. Corporal: v. is short for the Latin preposition versus, but as used here, it should be read as «or» in English, in the case Lund or Corporal, Corporal is the military grade corporal.

 

However, there is probably no connection between her and the Lund or Corporal Family, they came from different places far apart from each other.

 

When she and Nikolai married, she used the surname Røraas indicating that her family came from the mining town of Røros: Røros - Wikipedia

 

I find both her and some generations of her ancestors mentioned in two documents I have got from a retired Røros genealogist.

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