HelgeHånes Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Ole Jørgen Martinus Johannesson Overaa emigrerte til Amerika visstnok i 1888 (Har ikkje funne han i emigrantlistene). Han kom frå garden Overaa 6 eller Hovleite i Hareid, Sunnmøre og vart fødd 6. april 1867. Via DNA har eg kome i kontakt med ei som stammar frå Ole. Ettersom ho og eg har felles stamfar, har eg god kontroll over slekta både attover og framover på Ole si side. Det som manglar er slekta attover på kona til Ole si side. Den amerikanske slekta har lite eller ingenting å bidra med her. Namnet hennar skal ha vore Anna Ryan eller Ryen, og det dei har fått overført er at ho skulle kome frå Oslo og skal vere fødd i april 1871. Ho døydde i barsel 18. februar 1907. Frå slekta i Amerika har eg fått vite at Ole og Anne gifte seg 29. november 1893 i Fargo, Nord-Dakota. Via Familysearch har eg funne ein familie som reiste over havet i 1881. Passasjerlista viser at Anna kom til Amerika 10 år gammal i 1881 med American Line saman med foreldra: A(dolf) Olsen Ryan (43) og Ane Ryan (44) og syskjena Johan (7), Ole (5) og Beret (2). Saman med dei kom også ein Rasmus(en) Ryan (28), Anna P. Ryan (25) og Eline Ryan (18). Eg kan tenkje meg at desse tre var søskenbarn av Anna, Johan, Ole og Beret. Kvar I Norge dei kom frå går ikkje fram av passasjerlista. Dei reiste frå Oslo, men det treng ikkje bety at dei budde eller var frå Oslo. Der er mange Ryan-gardar I Sparbu I Nord- Trøndelag. Der er også fleire gardar med namnet Ryen i Folldal, Hedmark og i Stange, Innlandet. Ryen finst også I Oslo. Kjelde i Familysearch: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6K9J-GR?view=index&action=view&cc=1908535&lang=no and https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6K9J-G5?view=index&action=view&cc=1908535&lang=no Eg har leita gjennom emigrantlistene over passasjerar som reiste frå Oslo i 1881 utan å finne dei. Eg har heller ikkje funne desse namna i Sparbu, Folldal eller Stange. Kyrkjebøkene i Oslo er svært vanskelege å leite i, for eg veit ikkje kvar i byen dei eventuelt budde og kva prestegjeld staden dei budde på høyrde til. Mykje tyder på at kjelda frå Familysearch er rett, for ifølgje opplysningar eg har fått frå Amerika skal Anna ha hatt brørne Johan, fødd 1874, Ole, fødd 1876, og Beneth, fødd 1879. Denne siste kan vere den eg har tolka som Bereth, Det kan ha vore Benth eller Bernth. Kan nokon hjelpe oss med å finne kvar denne familien kom frå i Norge, slik at slektningane i Amerika kan finne fram til sine fjerne slektsgreiner i Norge? Takksam for alle opplysningar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne_Tonby Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Den familien du har linket emigrasjonen til er nok disse med navn Ryum som emigrerer fra Trondheim 1881 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/search/persons/advanced?from=&to=&sc[]=em&firstname=&lastname=ryum&birth_year_from=&birth_year_to=&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=1881&event_year_to=1881&event_date=&related_first_name=&related_last_name=&related_birth_year= Denne Anna skal være født 9/7 1873 Nord-Trøndelag fylke, Nærøy, Vikna i Nærøy, Ministerialbok nr. 784A05 (1860-1876), Fødte og døpte 1873, Side 107 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050503011031 Hun døde i 1888 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/185856558/anna-oveson-ryum?_gl=1*xv5na4*_gcl_au*MzAzNTQzNjMxLjE3MzU3Njg5Nzg.*_ga*MTEwNDc0MDkxLjE3MTk1OTkyNzE.*_ga_LMK6K2LSJH*MTMyZGVmNGQtNGFkZC00ZDQ2LWJhOGItMWIzMmQ5N2Q2YWQxLjIyMi4xLjE3NDI1NDI3NDcuMC4wLjA.*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*MTMyZGVmNGQtNGFkZC00ZDQ2LWJhOGItMWIzMmQ5N2Q2YWQxLjIyMC4xLjE3NDI1NDI3NDcuNTkuMC4w Inger Hohler and Egil Johannessen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne_Tonby Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 I census 1900 står hun med emigrasjonsår 1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9VF-QGJ?lang=en Egil Johannessen and HelgeHånes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne_Tonby Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Ved vielsen i 1893 står hun som Anna J Ryen En kandidat er denne Anna Johanne Ryen utflyttet fra Gran 1891 til Amerika https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/291/pu00000000079055 Konfirmert 1885 i Gran nr 42 Oppland fylke, Gran i Gran, Ministerialbok nr. 14 (1880-1889), Konfirmerte 1886, Side 133 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070117330846 Født 1/4 1871 og døp 10/12 1871 Skoger Vestfold fylke, Skoger, Konnerud, Strømsgodset i Skoger, Ministerialbok nr. I 4 (1862-1872), Fødte og døpte 1872, Side 188-189 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051109050101 Familien i Skoger 1875 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052141002608 Egil Johannessen and HelgeHånes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) 6 timer siden, Anne_Tonby skrev: En kandidat er denne Anna Johanne Ryen utflyttet fra Gran 1891 til Amerika https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/291/pu00000000079055 Utreise - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000475878 Ankomst (skulle til Dakota): New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (1820-1957) Name Anna J Rohan Gender Female Ethnicity/ Nationality Norwegian Age 19 Birth Date abt 1872 Place of Origin Norway Departure Port Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Destination Dakota Arrival Date 29 Jun 1891 Arrival Port New York, New York, USA Ship Name Servia Tar med FT 1891 for Anna Johanne - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052795001234 Edited March 21 by Egil Johannessen HelgeHånes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 (edited) Foreldrene's vielse - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000009351525 Far: John Olsen Ryen - Dåp, #8 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051111010298 Død i 1893 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000002980059 - Skannet, #10 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060424010449 DFP - Hø side under Gran, den 19. juni - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10211205252055 - (6 myndige felles barn, hvorav 2 i Amerika) Mor: Inger Sørine Jensdatter - Dåp, #16 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051111010409 Død i 1898 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000002009878 - Skannet. #9 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060727050359 DFP - Ve side, nederst - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10211205310015 - (7 felles barn, hvorav 1 i Amerika) Tar med FT 1891 for foreldrene og noen søsken - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052769005679 Edited March 21 by Egil Johannessen HelgeHånes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nina Tiller Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) Kan dette være Ole J .M. Johannessen som emigrerer? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/557/pe00000001378187 nr 14 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/166055/9 Edited March 22 by Nina Tiller HelgeHånes and Egil Johannessen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie K Marler Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/39354081/anna-overaas HelgeHånes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelgeHånes Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 Mange takk til dykk som har funne opplysningar. Medan eg leitte sjølv fann eg ut at bror til Anna Johanne, Jørgen Oscar Ryen reiste til Amerika året før Anna Johanne. Jørgen Oscar Ryen vart fødd 5. November 1867 og døypt 15. March 1868. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051109051010 Han reiste til Amerika med skipet Majestic Montebello den 15. August 1890, destinasjon New York. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/em20110223670244 Eg har leitt i Familysearch etter han, men finn ingenting. Nokon andre som finn noko? Helge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie K Marler Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 This possible came in 1890, began his naturalization process in Douglas county, Wisconsin in 1892: "Wisconsin, County Naturalization Records, 1807-1992", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ZFP2-B6N2 : Sat Mar 09 01:41:18 UTC 2024), Entry for George Ryen, 29 Mar 1892. HelgeHånes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie K Marler Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) This may be the same fellow except for some "ripples" in details. Here single in the 1895 Minnesota state census. He says he has been in the state for 9 years which would be 1886 or so for arrival: "Minnesota, State Census, 1895", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ68-N2T : Thu Jan 16 06:43:40 UTC 2025), Entry for Peter Johnson and Ellen Johnson, 1895. Here as George Ryens in 1905 Minnesota state census: https://www.mnhs.org/search/people/census/e383f670-ce31-4248-82c3-0beff8fb315d In 1920 US Federal census this appears to be the same fellow, this time listed as "widowed": "United States, Census, 1920", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWYJ-9FP : Thu Jan 09 22:40:05 UTC 2025), Entry for George Ryan, 1920. There is a George Ryan marrying in 1893 in Cottonwood county, the same county he resides in 1895 from MOMS: COTTONWOOD M3-76 11/24/1893 RYAN, GEORGE DOVING, OLIVIA Edited March 31 by Jackie K Marler HelgeHånes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelgeHånes Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 Thank you very much Jackie. It seems likely that you have found the right guy. Is it possible to find out when George died? And is it possible to find out more about his wife, where she came from, when she was born and when she died and if they had any children? Helge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie K Marler Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Here is a copy of the marriage record. Look carefully at her name it could be Olivia as it has been indexed or it could be Oline: "Minnesota, County Marriages, 1853-1983", FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X251-B3P : Thu Mar 07 12:41:47 UTC 2024), Entry for George Ryan and Olinna M G K Doving, 1893. Johan Chr Jacobson was a Norwegian Lutheran pastor at Westbrook Minnesota from 1881-1911. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Olianne Dovey in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969 NameOlianne Dovey GenderFemale Record TypeMarriage Birth PlaceNorp Marriage Date24 Nov 1893 Marriage PlaceCottonwood, Minnesota, USA SpouseGeorge Beyan Church NameOld Westbrook Lutheran Church Church LocationWestbrook, Minnesota https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60722/records/10914407?tid=&pid=&queryId=da97558c-179f-48cf-8dc8-acd9b3c940c5&_phsrc=OAG3&_phstart=successSource Jackie K Marler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie K Marler Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) Or even Olianne... Here is a George Ryan death in 1930. Parents are named Elling and Sirena are these correct to your Jorgen? "Minnesota, Deaths, 1887-2001", FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Z99T-HNPZ : Sun Mar 10 20:17:11 UTC 2024), Entry for George Ryan and Elling Ryan, 14 Sep 1930. And in FAG: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/195560921/george-ryan Edited April 4 by Jackie K Marler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) Kandidat Olianna Doving in the Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 NameOlianna Doving GenderFemale Arrival Age23 Birth Dateabt 1870 Arrival Date29 Mar 1893 Arrival PortHalifax, Nova Scotia, Canada ShipBuenos Ayrean https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1263/records/4243396 Edited April 4 by Anton Hagelee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Olinna M G K Doving in the Minnesota, U.S., Marriages Index, 1849-1950 NameOlinna M G K Doving GenderFemale Marriage Date24 Nov 1893 Marriage PlaceAnn, Cottonwood, Minnesota Spouse's NameGeorge Ryan Spouse GenderMale Spouse Marital StatusSingle Event TypeMarriage FHL Film Number1428609 https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2561/records/890645 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) Kandidat i Norge? Oleana Mathea Gustava Knudsdtr Døving https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000027974073 Nr 3 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061017040691 Edited April 4 by Anton Hagelee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Oleana Mathen Gustava Knudsdtr Døving in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938 Detail Source NameKari GenderMannlig (Male) Baptism Age0 Record Typedåp (Baptism) Birth Date3. des 1888 (3 Dec 1888) Baptism Date20. jan 1889 (20 Jan 1889) Baptism PlaceStøren, Sør-Trøndelag (Trøndelag), Norge (Norway) Baptism MunicipalityBudal FatherJohn Olsen Fols MotherOleana Mathen Gustava Knudsdtr Døving https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60606/records/15328016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Olianne Doving in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 NameOlianne Doving GenderFemale Departure Age23 Birth Dateabt 1870 Departure Date16 Jan 1893 Departure PortEngland Ship NameBuenos Aryean Shipping LineAllan Line Search Ship DatabaseSearch for the Buenos Aryean in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Destination PortHalifax, Canada MasterA H Vipond https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2997/records/39350718 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Oleanna Dovig in the Norway, Emigration Records, 1867-1960 NameOleanna DovigGenderKvinneligMarital StatusUgift (Single)Emigration Age23Birth Dateabt 1870Last Known Residence PlaceThjemEmigration Date8. mar 1893 (8 Mar 1893)Emigration PlaceTrondheim, NorgeEmigration DestinationWindom, MinnesotaEmigration ShipAllan Household Members (Name)Age Oleanna Dovig23 https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61757/records/793863?tid=&pid=&queryId=a3848fbd-811b-4735-9d4a-94ed8a12923a&_phsrc=CRh4&_phstart=successSource Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Oleanna Døvig https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/557/pe00000000116584 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelgeHånes Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 The parents of Jørgen Oscar Ryen was Johan Olsen Ryen and Inger Syrine Ryen, born Jarnes, so the George Ryan that died in 1930, must be another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie K Marler Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 So what is the birthdate and birth place of Jorgen Oscar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jackie K Marler said: So what is the birthdate and birth place of Jorgen Oscar? Nr 51 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051109051010 Name Jørgen Oscar Baptism Age 0 Record Type dåp (Baptism) Birth Date 5. nov 1867 (5 Nov 1867) Baptism Date 15. mar 1868 (15 Mar 1868) Baptism Place Strømsø, Buskerud, Norge (Norway) Baptism Municipality Drammen https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000001027569 Edited April 5 by Anton Hagelee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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