[#8252] Frederikke Nilsdatter Tjølling Vestfold b 1777

[Gjest Vidar Larsen]

Thanks for the tip, but one main problem, bygdebøkene from Norway are not available through our library her in Scotland If just ... , the problems would have been considerably less than they are. Thanks for your effort. Mvh Vidar

[Gjest Eva McKenna]

Hello Vidar, I have the 3 TjØlling Bygdebøker here, just off J28 on the M25 in Essex, so if you are ever down this way, you are welcome to have a look! Med hilsen Eva eva.mckenna@btinternet.com

[Gjest Ketil Harbek]

Hei, Kjell - takk for info. - Jeg sjekket selv Lorents Bergs Tjølling bygdebok 'fra begynnelsen av forrige århundre', med samme resultat. Antagelig kom Nils utenbygds fra, og det blir vel bare et lykketreff om opphavet hans dukker opp. LB skrev jo også bygdebøker for kommunene omkring, og ville trolig ha visst om han kom annetsteds fra i søndre Vestfold, hvis det fantes noen kilder som fortalte det. - Hilsen Ketil.

[Gjest Vidar Larsen]

Hi Eva Many thanks for the offer. Unfortunately I am not often down that way, and I presume that the possibility of finding Nils in Tjølling bygdebok is now near zero, after the searches carried out on my behalf. It looks as if the other parishes must be looked at in more detail, but again it will be pure luck to find any more information here. Thanks again.Hi Kjell and Ketil I think Ketil is right that it will now be pure luck to find Nils in any bygdebok. This will need a prolonged search, thumbing through and looking for Pedersens. I had a quick look at 1801 census for Hedrum. This gave 15 possible brothers to Nils, possible in that they were called Pedersen and more than 30 years old in 1801. It will be difficult to trace all these and find their parents, and then we got all the other parishes.A different angle of attack is needed. I will first try Skifteretten i Larvik,Thanks for all your efforts, it gave some new information and eliminated other possible ones, so progress was achieved. Mvh Vidar

[Gjest Ketil Firing Hanssen]

Kjell Håkestads register over vielser i Tjølling 1670-1813 er nå tilgjengelig på Vestfold-slekt.

[Gjest Vidar Larsen]

Thanks for info Ketil. Vidar

[Gjest Ketil Harbek]

Nå også en Niels Friis Pedersen? - Se nyhetene på DA førstesiden. Den 21.03.2002 er lagt inn i basen 'Ekstraskatten 1762 Larvik med Langestrand og Sandefjord'. Der fant jeg:1613 Barkevigs Marsovn 2 Marsemester Sr Niels Friis Pedersen Mand1614 Barkevigs Marsovn 2 Elisabeth Hansdatter Hustrue1615 Barkevigs Marsovn 2 Svend Poulsen Tienestekarl1616 Barkevigs Marsovn 2 Jon Hansen Tienestekarl1617 Barkevigs Marsovn 2 Inger Hansdatter Pige1618 Barkevigs Marsovn 2 Pernelle Pedersd AndreHvem er da denne Niels Friis Pedersen? Neppe Nils Pedersen som døde før 1800, for hustruen heter jo ikke Live. Men Friis heter han, og må vel henge sammen med noen som er omtalt ovenfor. (Det er forresten flere Niels Pedersen/Petersen i den skattelisten.)Jeg vet ikke hvor Barkevig er, men det skulle ikke forundre meg om det er på Halsen. 'Marsovn' betyr vel smelteovn (får håpe de bodde ved ovnen, og ikke i!), og på Halsen var det vel båtbyggeri på den tiden. De barket jo også tømmeret til skipsplankene.

[Gjest Ketil Harbek]

Bare et PS om Barkevig: Det må være Barkevik like nord for Helgeroa i Brunlanes. Der var det (i følge hjemmesiden til Helgeroa Hotell) industrivirksomhet fra tidlig 1700-tall, og mest kjent var jernverket. Men det gjør jo ikke Niels Friis Pedersen mindre interessant.

[Gjest Vidar Larsen]

Hi Ketil Thanks, but I have already eliminated this Nils Pedersen. As the wife of my gg-grandfather (Nils Friis Fredriksen) was from Langestrand, I had already purchased the microfiche copies for Langestrand sogn for this period (1779-1817). Indeed it was this that got me going along these lines, not only was there a Nils Pedersen Friis, but also a younger Nils Friis Pedersen, and a handful of other people that used Friis as sole surname.From the other names found, it looked like a number of Danish people had settled in Langestrand, at least the names were not Norwegian as far as I can judge. In the 1801 census only Elisabeth Friis remained using the name Friis, her mother having been married to one of the two younger Friiser, Peder or Hans (can't remember which at the moment) who both were matroser. Thus there was a weak link to my ancestors from Østre Halsen, ie both being seamen. Mvh Vidar

[Gjest May Karin Henriksen]

Hei Vidar.Mange danske matroser kom til Fredriksværn/Staværn etter 1750,da 'Fredriksværn fort', ble etablert av den danske kongen Fredrik V. Jeg gikk inn på mormoner arkivet,hvis du taster inn Nils eller Hans Friis f.eks født 1750 +/- 20, får du opp en hel haug med Friiser,du kan jo se om brødrene har felles adresse. Bare et tips,Mvh.M-K.

[Gjest Ketil Firing Hanssen]

Folketellingen 1814 for Tjølling (jfr. innlegg 8) er nå tilgjengelig på Vestfold-slekt. Registreringen er foretatt av Kjell Håkestad. Ikke alle opplysningene fra kilden er tatt med.

[Gjest Vidar Larsen]

Hi May. I tred your suggestion, but unfortunately I did not find a match. Neither did I find any Nils Pedersen Friis. When I tried Nils Pedersen,I got nearly 4000 birth/christening records in the 40-year period either side of 1750 in Denmark alone. Even allowing for a high degree of duplication the job becomes too great. It looks as if Skifteprotokollene is the way forward.Ketil: Thanks for information. It will be a help when I start looking for the brothers and sisters of my direct ancestors, and their descendants. Mvh Vidar

[Gjest Vidar Larsen]

Could somebody with access to the bygdebok for Tjølling find the name of the parents of Nokhardt Friis Fristad (f1906) (inlegg no 18), so that I can find them in the 1900 census. Mvh Vidar

[Gjest Tore Bjølgerud]

far:Nils Pedersen, f 1860, d 1919, Fristad, mor: Ragne Marie Olsdtr fra Søndre Eftang, f 1864. Hilsen Tore

[Gjest Vidar Larsen]

Thanks Tore. Found them in 1900 census. It gives me a start to see if there is any relationships between the different Friiser in Tjølling. Hilsen Vidar

[Gjest Vidar Larsen]

Can somebody confirm that the Ragna Marie Olsdatter Søndre Eftang (mention in inlegg no 39 above) was the same person as Ragna Marie Olsdatter born on Malmøe to Ole Anton Trulsen and Rise Marie Larsdatter in January 1864? I do not have microfiche copies of kirkebøkene after 1886 to check her parents at the time of her marriage. Thanks. Hilsen Vidar

[Gjest Hans Mathisen]

Yes, it is the same Ragna Marie. Her father Ole Anton Trulsen farmed Malmøya until he in 1867 bought Søndre Eftang, nr. 2, from Peder Jørgensen for 1200 spd. (Source: Tjølling bygdebok III, page 1076, by Jan W. Krohn-Holm.MVH Hans

[Gjest Vidar Larsen]

Hi; Having obtained the microfiche cards for Tjølling kirkebok for late 1700, I have read and reread the entry for Henrik Torgersen (see innlegg no 18). Some days I read Fristad, and some days I read Friis something. As I could not decide which was correct, I asked Statsarkivet i Kongsberg for a transcript which arrived today. They (SA i K) stated that 'Niels Pedersen Friises Søn Henric' was baptised on October 22, 1780 in Tjølling.A marriage between Niels Pedersen Friis and Live Torjersdatter is also recorded, without any further details, in kirkeboka for Stavern for 1771 with a son Peder baptised in 1774 with godparents Birthe Torjersdatter and Torjer Larsen. These godparents' names match those of Live Torgersdatter Rekkevik's sister and father.Although this does not alter the problem of finding Niels Pedersen Friis's origin, Denmark or Larvik, but Ketil (Harbek) I hope this verifies that there was such a person with the name Friis. Mvh Vidar

[Gjest Ketil Harbek]

Hi, Vidar - thank you very much for digging out this information and for sharing it! I can now remove a couple of big question marks on 'Niels Pedersen', who was just a name to me untill this. And, at least (and last) there is a link (Friis) to his origin. Mvh Ketil.