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As mentioned as the husband of Dorthe Christfersdatter in this discussion [https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/222506-barn-or-krone-in-digital-ministerial-record-book-for-larvik/ Knud Hansen Møller and his family brings up another challenge for me. According to two Norwegian history and genealogy experts, the use of Møller in the family names for multiple generations of Knud Hansen Møller and Hans Knutsson Møller indicates the following options: 1. This is a German family name passed down through generations. 2. This name is an honorific or title as they were all blacksmiths, referred to as Millers working in the ironworks mills. Issue One: If this is a German family name and the earliest date of record for this family is before about 1680, where would we look for some form of confirmation, migration, immigration, something to substantiate this conclusion? Issue Two: If this is an honorific/job title, and each one reached proficiency to be rewarded with this title: 1. Is this a true tradition? If so, why do I not see more Møllers in the records? I found a few, including ancestors, but only a very few in the area. If this was a special job and title, then only a few with that title makes sense. 2. Could such a title be passed down automatically (inherited) in the names of the children or is this earned? 3. Would there be certification papers, tests, or some other record form for earning the qualification? Hørte was a company town, and I understand that they have the archives in a private holding, and I may have access to a couple people who can visit them if I cannot find information outside of those records, so any help in narrowing down these two assumptions and helping me identify records to substantiate this would be appreciated. Thank you!

Her er en kar jeg ikke finner ut av: Johan Samuel Roth Han giftet seg mellom 1763 og høsten 1765 med Kirsten Gulbrandsen som tidligere hadde vært gift med Christian Møller, en sadelmaker. Møller døde efter sigende i 1763, men jeg har ikke funnet begravelsen hans (med unntak av en nokså usannsynlig kandidat i Vestby: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061025050597). Jeg har ikke funne noen vielse for Kirsten og Johan Samuel, men en hel serie barn: Dorothea, 1765: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061010010643 Syrina Christina: 1767: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061010010649 Georg Christopher: 1773: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061010010659 Johan Samuel omtales både som "Fabrikmester ved Tugthuset", Christiania. (se https://www.geni.com/people/Johan-Samuel-Roth/6000000021454917302?through=6000000012613019947#/tab/overview - ingen annen kilde er oppgitt) og som "vever" (https://urn.nb.no/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2007112804069, p 372). Konen - Kirsten Gulbrandsen . døde i 1796 og ble da notert som enkefrue (https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061107020463) så på den tiden må Johan Samuel ha gått bort. Noen som vet mer om denne mannen? (Egentlig er jeg vel så interessert i Kirsten, hun var mor til Eidsvoldsmannen Alexander Møller som representerte Arendal). Med takk på forhånd og beste ønsker om en bedre 1 mai enn det været i Sandefjord gir anledning til å håpe!