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carrolann@rogers.com

Oslo County, Grønland, Parish Reg. copy nr. 2 (1861-1863) Birth & baptism records 1863, page 54:

Jorgine Mathea Nielsen delivered a son Dec 20th, Jorgen Albert.  I see Jorgine Mathea is a widow.  Is she married to the father of the child, namely Christian Olsen?  I wasn't able to find a marriage record.  It appears to me that Jorgine Mathea is the same person who married Bernt Johannesen 10 March 1854, Gamle Aker Menighet, Oslo, Akershus.  She is the daughter of Erich Nielsen & Marthe Abelone Christesdatter-falck & b. March 25, 1829, Enerhougen, Oslo.  She was widowed in June 1855 when her husband, Bernt, drowned in London.  Their children were Emil Bernhard Berntsen & Bernt Johan Berntsen, the latter being born July 1855.  I would like to know if this Jorgine Mathea is the same person who married this Christian Olsen.  Jorgine Mathea would be my ggrandmother.  Emil Bernhard Berntsen is my ggrandfather.  Thanks for your assistance & I hope I'm in the correct page for this query!

Carrol

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Randi Elisabeth Haugros

Jørgen Albert died in 1864, no 111:

 

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Grønland, Ministerialbok nr. 3 (1862-1868), Døde og begravede 1864, side 169.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=627&idx_id=627&uid=ny&idx_side=-170

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060227040955.jpg

 

 

Mvh Randi Elisabeth Haugros

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carrolann@rogers.com

I have research done from the previous format of Digitalarivet but not all links.

Jorgine Mathea Nilsen was married to Bernt Johannesen - Oslo County, Aker Parish Register (official) NR20-1853-1854.  Marriage 1854 Page 332.  She was born Oslo County Rikshospital 1818-1832 Birth & Baptism Records 1829 Page 170-171.

Bernt Johannesen born Oslo Co. Aker Parish Register Copy nr4 1819-1829 Birth & Baptism page 566-567.  He's recorded as Bernth.

They had two sons, Emil Bernhard Berntsen & Bernt Johan Berntsen.

Bernt Johannesen died in 1855.  Jorgine is now a widow.

The 2 children are put into foster care.  I have all their information from birth to death for the two sons born to Jorgine Mathea & Bernt Johannesen.  

I would like to know if Jorgine Mathea Nielsen/Nilsen who gave birth to Jorgen Albert is the widow of Bernt Johannesen & the mother of the two children put into foster care & did she, in fact, marry Christen Olsen.  I wasn't able to find a marriage record of Jorgine Mathea to Christen Olsen.  Thank you for assistance.  Jorgine Mathea Nielsen/Nilsen & Bernt Johannesen are my gggrandparents.

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Randi Elisabeth Haugros

Widow Jørgine Mathea Nielsen, 33 years old, died 23. desember 1862, in puerperal fever/ childbed fever. Her son was born 20. december the same year. Her adress: Nordbygaden 29.

 

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Grønland, Ministerialbok nr. 3 (1862-1868), Døde og begravede 1862, side 145.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=627&idx_id=627&uid=ny&idx_side=-146

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060227040931.jpg

 

 

 

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Randi Elisabeth Haugros

Jørgine Mathea Nilsen, no 1363, died in 1862, leaving 3 children.

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo skifterett, Dødsfallsprotokoll A 6 , 1858-1863, oppb: Statsarkivet i Oslo.

Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/25421/196/

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-sk20081219310381.jpg

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carrolann@rogers.com

Thank you Randi Elisabeth Haugros.  Do I presume that this Jorgine Mathea is in fact the mother of my great grandfather, Emil Bernhard Berntsen & his brother Bernt Johan & they are the 2 surviving of her 3 children?  I understand now that she was not married to Christian Olsen but still a widow.  The first I find of Emil Bernhard & Bernt Johan (under name Bertsen) is on the 1875 census of Kristiania, Entry #72479.21, as foster sons.  Do you know where they were from 1862 until 1875? 

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Randi Elisabeth Haugros

Bernt Johan born 1855, his mother's adress is Nordbygaden.

 

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Aker, Klokkerbok nr. 10 (1852-1859), Fødte og døpte 1855, side 106-107.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7698&idx_id=7698&uid=ny&idx_side=-58

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061108040158.jpg

 

Jørgine Mathea never married Christian Olsen, Jørgen Alberts father.

 

Bernt Johan, b. 1855 the adress was Nordbygaden,

Jørgen Albert b. 1862, Nordbygaden

Jørgine Mathea, widow, died in 1862, Nordbygaden

 

Jørgine Mathea died in 1862 leaving 3 children, these children are, I gjess, Emil Bernhard, Bernt Johan and Jørgen Albert.

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carrolann@rogers.com

Thank you so much for all this information.  It disturbed me greatly to wonder what happened to Jorgine Mathea and why her two children went to foster care.  I'm 100% certain that the Jorgine Mathea in this discussion is the mother of Emil & Bernt.  I see in the birth record for Jorgen Albert that one of the witnesses to baptism is Carl Nielsen, Jorgine Mathea's brother.  You have filled in many blanks for me...thank you again.  Much appreciated.

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Maybe this is Emil Bernhard:

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0301&kenr=0743&bnr=0767&lnr=000

 

Nicolay Holmstrøm ug Bogbinder 1833 Sverige

Johanne Holmstrøm Kone g 1833 Christiania

Axel Holmstrøm Søn 1860 Christiania

Sophie Holmstrøm Datter 1862 Christiania

Hedvig Holmstrøm Datter 1863 Christiania

Bernhart Berntsen Pleiesøn 1852 Christiania

Harrald Holmstrøm Søn 1865 Christiania

 

Ft 1875:

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1875&knr=0301&kenr=054&bnr=2933&lnr=00

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Bernt Johan Berntsen confirmation, no 24:

I guess he lives with fosterfamily from census 1875, Platous gt in in Grønland parish.

 

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Grønland, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1869-1880), Konfirmerte 1870, side 29.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5788&idx_id=5788&uid=ny&idx_side=-31

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060921030164.jpg

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carrolann@rogers.com

Yes, thank you, again!  This above two messages are my Emil & Bernt Berntsen.  I have the death dates for Emil, his first & his second wives (all in Drøbak).  Could you find a death record for Bernt Johan & his wife, Emilie Christine Nilsen.  She was b. Dec 8, 1856, in Ostfold, Moss, Parish Register Copy 1852-1860 Birth & Baptism 1857, Page 85.  She & Bernt Johan Berntsen married in Grønland, January 2, 1881, Grønland,Oslo County Register (1877-1881), page 93, Entry #1. Their children (3) for whom I have all the records were all born in Grønland as well.    

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Bernt Johan in census 1885 Kristiania

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01053257080183

037 00 Bernt Johan Berntsen 1855 Kristiania Fyrbøder

038 00 Emilie Kristine Berntsen 1857 Moss Hustru

039 00 Gudrun Marie Berntsen 1882 Kristiania Datter

040 00 Adolf Bernhard N. Berntsen 1884 Kristiania Søn

 

 

 

 

Bernt Johan i the 1900 census:

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0301&kenr=242&bnr=0002&lnr=13

 

Bernt Johan Berntzen hf g Fyrbøder Bryggeri 1855 Kristiania

Emilie Christine Berntzen hm g 1856 Moss

Adolf Berntzen s ug Visergudt 1884 Kristiania

Sigrid Berntzen d ug 1888 Kristiania

Einar Berntzen s ug 1892 Kristiania

 

1910:

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1910&knr=0301&kenr=132&bnr=0004&lnr=04

Bernt Johan Bernts. hf g Fyrbøter Bryggeri 15.07.1855 t

Emilie Kristine Bernts. hm g 08.12.1856 Moss

Adolf Bernh. Nic. Bernts. s ug Fyrbøter tilsøs 03.02.1884 t

Sigrid Emmy Bernts. d ug L. 31.01.1888 t

Einar Bjarne Bernts. s ug Visergut 08.11.1892 t

Ruth Johanne Bernts. d ug 07.05.1901 t

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You have got all the records og the 3 children, do you mean baptism, marriage, death? Or only baptism?

 

Einar died in 1975:

3498077 Einar Berntsen 0811 1892 0907 1975 2207 1975 m 001 18 022 Takk for alt Vis Østre gravlund Oslo

http://www.disnorge.no/gravminner/bilde.php?id=3498077

 

Bernt Johan in 1923, kommunal folketelling Kristiania

http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=12&filnamn=ft03011923&gardpostnr=852&personpostnr=3706#nedre

 

 

Personnr. Førenamn Etternamn Kjønn Fødd dato Fødestad Sivilstand Yrke Arb.givar Adr des. 1922 Husvill

3706 1 Bernt Johan Berntsen m 15.07.1855 Kristiania g Forhenværende Fyrbøter Kra. Actie bryggeri Eriksgate 4

3707 2 Emilie Kristine Berntsen k 08.12.1856 Moss g Husmor Eriksgate 4

3708 3 Gudrun Marie Berntsen k 09.06.1882 Kristiania ug Frihandlerske Eriksgate 4

3709 4 Ruth Johanne Johansen f Berntsen k 07.05.1901 Kristiania ug Husmor Eriksgate 4 ja, 16 mnd. Mandens bopel Norbygaten no 11

3710 5 Leif Bjarne Johansen m 28.11.1922 Kristiania Eriksgate 4

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carrolann@rogers.com

Oh, I sent a separate message re Gudrun, in error.  From this I now know Gudrun is also a daughter of Bernt & Emilie.  I don't know who Ruth Joanne Johansen or Lief Bjarn Johansen are.  Believe I discovered that Lief is Ruth's son & from any information I could find it appeared to me that they were a "homeless mother & child" that Bernt & Emilie gave lodging to.  I wasn't able to determine anything else about them.

Thank you for the death dates & other information on the children of Bernt & Emilie.  In the email sent in error I stated that I have photos of Brent & Emilie & their daughter Sigred but not the others and one of Gudrun knowing only that she's my grandmother's cousin.

 

Attempting here, staying with the Berntsen family.  I am also trying to find the marriage of my great aunt Ragnhild Berntsen.  She is daughter of Emil & Anne Marie Andersen.  Ragnhild was born in Drøbak, November 21, 1883. Akershus County, Drøbak in Drøbak, Birth & Baptism Records 1883, Page 68.  She married K. Artur Johanson.  Addresses on letters received many years ago from Ragnhild & Arthur is Schaffersgade 9 IV, Oslo, Norge.  In a recent reading of a diary belonging to my mother there are dates for the deaths of Ragnhild & Arthur which I have yet to record & cannot, off the top of my head remember but am interested in finding their marriage. A ring which may be a wedding ring, bears the date August 15, 1911 but I couldn't find a record for a marriage for them for that date & thought perhaps it's a "promise ring" or "engagement ring".  Ragnhild & Artur (Arthur) did not have any children. 

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Randi Elisabeth Haugros

Ruth Johanne is Bernt and Emilies daugther. In the census 1923 she is married, and her son is Leif Johansen. Her husband is not living with his family. His adress is Norbygaten.

 

Gudrun Marie is Bernt and Emilie's daugther.

 

 

Ragnhild Mathea Johansen and Karl Arthur Johansen in Oslo in 1910,

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036392195068

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Delated

Edited by Randi Elisabeth Haugros

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carrolann@rogers.com

Wasn't aware that Bernt & Emelie had a daughter named Ruth.  Interesting.  I have a letter from a Ruth Kavlerud, first part of address unclear but its ".....? qt 4I opg(y?) 2, Oslo 6, envelope franked in 1973.  Could this be the same Ruth?  I thought this Ruth might be related to the second husband of my grandmother.

Again I thank you so much for this information - most of which has taken me a very long time in the past reading all the Digitised parish records.

Thank you too for information on Raghnild Mathea...expect I couldn't find her & Arthur since it appears in that 1910 census that Raghnild's name is a bit of a mix up. 

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Ragnhild and Karl Arthur got married 4. nov. 1910 in Oslo, Paulus parish, no 129

 

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Paulus, Ministerialbok nr. 17 (1906-1917), Ekteviede 1910, side 54.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=672&idx_id=672&uid=ny&idx_side=-56

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060215010572.jpg

 

 

Mvh Randi Elisabeth

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I guess that Ruth Kavlerud is Emilie and Bernts daugther. Look here:

http://www.begravdeioslo.no/maler/grav/grave_id/59090

 

Lauritz Kavlerud

22.11.1888 - 17.02.1957

Gravlagt: 21.02.1957

Ruth Johanne Kavlerud

07.05.1901 - 06.02.1977

Gravlagt: 26.05.1977

Reidun Johansen

17.06.1921 - 27.06.2001

Gravlagt: 06.09.2001

Leif Bjarne Johansen

28.11.1922 - 08.06.2004

Gravlagt: 22.07.2004

 

Festeutløp: 2024

 

Lauritz Kavlerud must be her second husband. Reidun Johansen, Leif Bjarne's wife.

 

Ruth Johanne, b. 1901, no 170:

 

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Grønland, Ministerialbok nr. 14 (1900-1911), Fødte og døpte 1901, side 57.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3940&idx_id=3940&uid=ny&idx_side=-60

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060530030060.jpg

Edited by Randi Elisabeth Haugros

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carrolann@rogers.com

Oh Wow!  More mysteries solved!  Thank you so so much!  Difficult to find words to express how grateful I am for all your help!

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Ruth Johanne married Bertel Thorleif Johansen in 1922:

 

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Kampen, Lysningsprotokoll nr. 4 (1917-1924), Lysninger 1922, uten sidenr.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3496&idx_id=3496&uid=ny&idx_side=-65

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060515030103.jpg

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