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Martina Clyne

I'm researching my grandfather Ivar Fossen DOB: 1July1909 who immigrated to America in 1930.  Parents are Toger Olson Vatterland DOB: 18Jan1875 and Mari Iversdatter Syverstuen DOB: 3Dec1874.  I have found the family in the 1910 census from Nord-Fron but can't find any other information to the family.  Any help or suggestions as to how to research would be greatly appreciated!  Thank you

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Torger Olsen Vaterland icn_world.gif?1374097518
Kjønn: Mann Født: 19. januar 1875 

Vaterland u/øvre Graupe, Nord-Fron, Oppland, Norway Nærmeste familie:

Sønn av Ole Olsen Vaterland og Mari Ellefsdatter Vaterland 

Bror av Mari Olsdatter Vaterland og Ole Olsen Rytviken

Lagt til av: Ola Jon Ødegård 8. april 2015 Administrert av: Ola Jon Ødegård

https://www.geni.com/people/Torger-Vaterland/6000000032746210146

 

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Here is the link to the 1910 census:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01036431000439

 

The birth and baptism record for their eldest son Oskar, born on 31 August 1904:

 
Oppland county, Kvikne in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 5 (1884-1914), Born and baptised 1905, Page 67
Permanent image ID: kb10040809150073
 
And here is the marriage record for Torger and Mari - see entry no 2 for 1904:
 
Oppland county, Kvikne in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 5 (1884-1914), Married 1903-1906, Page 160
Permanent image ID: kb10040809150142
 

Ole Olsen Vaterland and his family in 1900:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037082000636

 

Torger's parents then were Ole Olsen and Mari Ellefsdatter. 

 

And here is Mari at Syverstuen in the 1900 census with her younger brother Iver and her mother, Rønnaug Knudsdatter, who is a widow: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037082001210

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Torger's baptism:

Oppland county, Sødorp, Kvikne, Kvam in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 2 (1865-1883), Born and baptised 1875, Page 75
Permanent image ID: kb20070115640080
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070115640080
(No. 7)


Torger's parents Ole Olsen and Mari Ellefsdatter in 1865: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038060006583


Ole Olsen and Mari Ellefsdatter's marriage Nov. 18. 1861:

Oppland county, Sødorp, Kvikne, Kvam in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 1 (1851-1864), Married 1861, Page 263
Permanent image ID: kb20070130660327
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070130660327
(No. 26)

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Here is the link to the 1910 census:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01036431000439

 

The birth and baptism record for their eldest son Oskar, born on 31 August 1904:

 
Oppland county, Kvikne in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 5 (1884-1914), Born and baptised 1905, Page 67
Permanent image ID: kb10040809150073
 
And here is the marriage record for Torger and Mari - see entry no 2 for 1904:
 
Oppland county, Kvikne in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 5 (1884-1914), Married 1903-1906, Page 160
Permanent image ID: kb10040809150142
 

Ole Olsen Vaterland and his family in 1900:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037082000636

 

Torger's parents then were Ole Olsen and Mari Ellefsdatter. 

 

And here is Mari at Syverstuen in the 1900 census with her younger brother Iver and her mother, Rønnaug Knudsdatter, who is a widow: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037082001210

Thank you for all the useful research!  I have a typewritten Paper stating the DOB of all Ivar's siblings and I have Oskar Fossen DOB :6Dec1904 and death as 5June1976.  I'm not sure if that is the correct Oscar you have found?  Can I ask how you found all this information?  I live in Minnesota and would love to learn how to research more of the family by the method you are using.  Do I need to be a member of digitalarkivet?  Thank you again!

Here is the link to the 1910 census:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01036431000439

 

The birth and baptism record for their eldest son Oskar, born on 31 August 1904:

 
Oppland county, Kvikne in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 5 (1884-1914), Born and baptised 1905, Page 67
Permanent image ID: kb10040809150073
 
And here is the marriage record for Torger and Mari - see entry no 2 for 1904:
 
Oppland county, Kvikne in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 5 (1884-1914), Married 1903-1906, Page 160
Permanent image ID: kb10040809150142
 

Ole Olsen Vaterland and his family in 1900:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037082000636

 

Torger's parents then were Ole Olsen and Mari Ellefsdatter. 

 

And here is Mari at Syverstuen in the 1900 census with her younger brother Iver and her mother, Rønnaug Knudsdatter, who is a widow: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01037082001210

Thank you for all the useful research!  I have a typewritten Paper stating the DOB of all Ivar's siblings and I have Oskar Fossen DOB :6Dec1904 and death as 5June1976.  I'm not sure if that is the correct Oscar you have found?  Can I ask how you found all this information?  I live in Minnesota and would love to learn how to research more of the family by the method you are using.  Do I need to be a member of digitalarkivet?  Thank you again!

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Marriage record for Torger's parents - see entry no 26:

 

Oppland county, Sødorp, Kvikne, Kvam in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 1 (1851-1864), Married 1861, Page 263
Permanent image ID: kb20070130660327
 
The groom's father is also Ole Olsen and the bride's father is Ellef Knudsen. 

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Torger's baptism:

Oppland county, Sødorp, Kvikne, Kvam in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 2 (1865-1883), Born and baptised 1875, Page 75

Permanent image ID: kb20070115640080

Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070115640080

(No. 7)

Torger's parents Ole Olsen and Mari Ellef Daughter in 1865: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038060006583

Ole Olsen and Mari Ellefsdatter's marriage Nov. 18. 1861:

Oppland county, Sødorp, Kvikne, Kvam in North Carolina, Parish register (official) no. 1 (1851-1864), Married 1861 Page 263

Permanent image ID: kb20070130660327

Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070130660327

(No. 26)

Thank you Anne-Lise, you have been very helpful in my search of my Great Grandparents.  How do I search for the death records for Torger and his parents?  

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Torger Olsen Vaterland icn_world.gif?1374097518
Gender: Male Born: 19. January 1875 

Vaterland u / upper Graupe, North Carolina, Oppland, Norway Immediate Family:

Son of  Ole Olsen Vaterland  and  Mari Ellef Daughter Vaterland 

Brother by  Mari Olsdatter Vaterland  and  Ole Olsen Rytviken

Added by: Ola Jon Odegaard  8. April 2015 Managed by: Ola Jon Odegaard

https://www.geni.com/people/Torger-Vaterland/6000000032746210146

 

Thank you Ann-Mary for the research, you have been very helpful!

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Thank you for all the useful research!  I have a typewritten Paper stating the DOB of all Ivar's siblings and I have Oskar Fossen DOB :6Dec1904 and death as 5June1976.  I'm not sure if that is the correct Oscar you have found?  Can I ask how you found all this information?  I live in Minnesota and would love to learn how to research more of the family by the method you are using.  Do I need to be a member of digitalarkivet?  Thank you again!

Thank you for all the useful research!  I have a typewritten Paper stating the DOB of all Ivar's siblings and I have Oskar Fossen DOB :6Dec1904 and death as 5June1976.  I'm not sure if that is the correct Oscar you have found?  Can I ask how you found all this information?  I live in Minnesota and would love to learn how to research more of the family by the method you are using.  Do I need to be a member of digitalarkivet?  Thank you again!

 

I searched for Oskar in the parish registers for Nord-Fron on the basis of the 1910 census. Sometimes the birth dates in this census are not correct due to the information in the birth records. But in this case both the census and the parish register say that Oskar was born on 31 August 1904. Do you have the names and birth dates for all Iver's siblings? 

 

In 1910 they were four siblings:

 

Oskar, born 31 August 1904

Rønnaug, born 12 December 1905

Maria, born 21 September 1907

Iver, born 1 July 1909 

 

Are these names and birth dates correct according to you your typewritten paper? Did Iver have younger siblings too?

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Rønnaug, no 1:

 

Oppland county, Kvikne in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 5 (1884-1914), Born and baptised 1906, Page 69
Permanent image ID: kb10040809150075
 
Maria, no 13
 
Oppland county, Kvikne in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 5 (1884-1914), Born and baptised 1907, Page 71
Permanent image ID: kb10040809150076
 

Ivar, no 8

 

Oppland county, Kvikne in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 5 (1884-1914), Born and baptised 1909, Page 74
Permanent image ID: kb10040809150079
 

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I searched for Oskar in the parish registers for Nord-Fron on the basis of the 1910 census. Sometimes the birth dates in this census are not correct due to the information in the birth records. But in this case both the census and the parish register say that Oskar was born on 31 August 1904. Do you have the names and birth dates for all Iver's siblings? 

 

In 1910 they were four siblings:

 

Oskar, born 31 August 1904

Rønnaug, born 12 December 1905

Maria, born 21 September 1907

Iver, born 1 July 1909 

 

Are these names and birth dates correct according to you your typewritten paper? Did Iver have younger siblings too?

Oskar Dec 6,1904

Ronnaug Dec 7,1905

Marie in September 21.1907

Ivar July 1, 1909

Margit Aug 10, 1911

Trygve July 31, 1914

Kare Aug 15, 1918

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The DOB you have for Oscar and Rönnaug are not correct, but Marie's and Ivar's are.

 

The daughter Anne born 1860 may be this one born out of wedlock:

Oppland county, Sødorp, Kvikne, Kvam in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 1 (1851-1864), Born and baptised 1860, Page 98
Permanent image ID: kb20070130660158
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070130660158
(No. 85)

 

"Forsørges af Faderen med Bidrag af Amtskassen" means that the father is providing for her and additionally they gets a contribution to her upbringing from the municipal? authorities. Her mother had perhaps died, or the girl may have had special needs due to a handicap of some sort?

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To find out when people died, you'll have to browse the church books for that area from the time you last have seen the individual registered in church books (as sponsor to a baptism for instance) or in censuses.

 

If there is written 'bygdebøker' for that area, you may be fortunate that the authors already have found the dates of births and deaths for you. :)

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I understand it is possible to get Norwegian 'bygdebøker' in Minnesota? 

https://www.lib.umn.edu/faq/219

 

The one you might want to look in is this:

 

Forfatter:
Medvirker:
Publisert:
[Otta] : [s.n.], 1974

 

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The baptism of Margit b. August 10. 1911:
Oppland county, Kvikne in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 5 (1884-1914), Born and baptised 1911, Page 77
Permanent image ID: kb10040809150082
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb10040809150082
(No. 8)
 

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The DOB you have for Oscar and Rönnaug are not correct, but Marie's and Ivar's are.

 

The daughter Anne born 1860 may be this one born out of wedlock:

Oppland county, Sødorp, Kvikne, Kvam in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 1 (1851-1864), Born and baptised 1860, Page 98

Permanent image ID: kb20070130660158

Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070130660158

(No. 85)

 

" Supported by the Father with the Contribution of county Checkout" betyder the father is providing for here and they Additionally gets a bidrag till here upbringing from the municipal? myndigheder. Here mother hatred kanske died, or the girl kan having had special needs due to a disability of some sort?

Thank you again for the helpful information of the meaning for the daughter Anne!

The baptism of Margit b. August 10. 1911:

Oppland county, Kvikne in Nord-Fron, Parish register (official) no. 5 (1884-1914), Born and baptised 1911, Page 77

Permanent image ID: kb10040809150082

Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb10040809150082

(No. 8)

 

That is great that this matches with what I have been given!  I'm still consfused on using the search function in Arkivverket, do I just type in the name of the person I'm looking for and it will give me the options to select from?

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Here is a link to tips in searching transcribed censuses and church books: How to search the data

 

It is many different ways to spell a name, so you ought to write as little as possible in the search field. For instance will the name Christian easiest be found if you write *ristian and Christopher *risto*. The reason is that the names may have been registered as: Christian, Kristian and Christopher, Christoffer, Christofer, Kristoffer, Kristofer...  The sign |   (or) is also important to use:  Berte|Berthe|Birte|Birthe|Berta|Bertha  or  Bert*|Birt*.

 

The year of birth can vary, so it is best to use * and | here too: Born 187*|188*

 

Farm names can be written in different ways: Vaterland / Waterland /Watterland f.i. and can also be misinterpretet by the indexer. (An 'o' becomes an 'a' in this example: https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/200029-folketellig-1910-for-1813-velfjord-herred/ )


A new feature with the display program for church books, is that you will get better functions after logging on to the program. Use the same user name and password as in the forums.

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Here is a link to tips in searching transcribed censuses and church books: How to search the data

 

It is many different ways to spell a name, so you ought to write as little as possible in the search field. For instance will the name Christian easiest be found if you write *ristian and Christopher *risto*. The reason is that the names may have been registered as: Christian, Kristian and Christopher, Christoffer, Christofer, Kristoffer, Kristofer...  The sign |   (or) is also important to use:  Berte|Berthe|Birte|Birthe|Berta|Bertha  or  Bert*|Birt*.

 

The year of birth can vary, so it is best to use * and | here too: Born 187*|188*

 

Farm names can be written in different ways: Vaterland / Waterland /Watterland f.i. and can also be misinterpretet by the indexer. (An 'o' becomes an 'a' in this example: https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/200029-folketellig-1910-for-1813-velfjord-herred/ )

A new feature with the display program for church books, is that you will get better functions after logging on to the program. Use the same user name and password as in the forums.

Perfect Anne-Lise, I will continue my search tomorrow with all the help you have given me.  Thanks so much again.

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I understand it is possible to get Norwegian 'bygdebøker' in Minnesota? 

https://www.lib.umn.edu/faq/219

 

The one you might want to look in is this:

 

Published:
[Otta] : [s.n.], 1974

 

Hi Anne-Lise,

I cannot open the Gardar og slekter i Fron 2 : Nord-Fron, that link brings me to the Stavangewebsite but I don't know how to access the article.  

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Yes, I am sorry. The books are digitized at the National Library of Norway, but can be accessed from Norwegian IP-addresses only. I copied the name and author of the book there. (At nb.no) I also linked to a Minnesota university library, that may have information about where you can find this book in Minnesota.

 

(The other link, I think was to a local historical society, that cooperated in making the books.)

 

Best of luck in obtaining the book.

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Yes, I am sorry. The books are digitized at the National Library of Norway, but can be accessed from Norwegian IP-addresses only. I copied the name and author of the book there. (At nb.no) I also linked to a Minnesota university library, that may have information about where you can find this book in Minnesota.

 

(The other link, I think was to a local historical society, that cooperated in making the books.)

 

Best of luck in obtaining the book.

 

Hi Anne-Lise,

Thank you for explaining the book, so this is the book where I would be able to look up information relating to the family of Torger Olsen Vaterland?  I don't live far from the MN University library and the MN Historical Society.

Take care,

Tina

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Yes, that is correct. Nord-Fron is the area where this family lived.

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Yes, that is correct. Nord-Fron is the area where this family lived.

 

Perfect!  Do you know if Arkivverket is the only website to find family on in Norway?  I have done a lot of research for my father's side in Denmark and have used the Danish Family Search website which was pretty easy to navigate as a American resident.

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