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Murray Rystead

For the hylestad, Valle region ... preferably Nomeland/Helle/Uppstad/Rysstad .... anybody know where I can find documents showing the names of the land owners.
I'd like to see not just a list of who lives on a property, but maybe seeing their signature, along with tax records, etc.

I've searched the digital archives, but it's been hard to find specific people ... seems that the census, birth and death are the only type of files I've come across.

Any thoughts or suggestions?
 

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Carl-Henry Geschwind

Hi Murray:

 

The land records have not been digitally indexed, so you cannot search them like the census records or many of the churchbooks. However, they are still accessible via digitalarkivet.

 

There are two main types of records. The land records themselves (both sales/purchases and mortgages) are recorded in the so-called "pantebok" (translated as "mortgage book"). The pantebok is kept for each judicial district (in your particular case the Setesdal district). These records are then indexed in something called the "panteregister" (translated as "mortgage registry"), which is organized by farm and tells you where to look in the pantebok for documents relating to each farm.

 

Thus, the strategy is to look first in the panteregister to get the volume and page number for the entry in the pantebok relating to any given farm.

 

For this you need to know what the specific farm number is for each farm you are looking for. There are main farm numbers (called Gardnr or GNR in Norwegian, translated as "land no." in the English version); Rysstad, for example, is GNR 68 in the old Hylestad municipality. But then each farm is subdivided into individual farms, each given its own number (called Bruknr. or Bnr in Norwegian, translated as "property no." in the English version). In the case of Rysstad, for example, the farm has been (coincidentally) divided into 68 individual properties. If you are looking for a particular property one of your ancestors lived on, the Bygdebok or community book will probably tell you what Bruknr. or specific property that person lived on.

 

Now, if you go to the main search page (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/) and look for the box headed "Property and Registration", you will see a link titled "Search mortgage registry". Click on that (https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/tl/preg/search) to get to the property search page. Once you are there, enter the municipality (Hylestad or 0939) and the Land no. (68 in the case of Rysstad). This search will bring up 70 hits in the mortgage registry (for 68 individual properties, two of them listed twice): https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/tl/preg/search?municipalities[]=0939&gnr=68&bnr=&matrnr=&lnr=&other_no=&name=). Clicking on the first result, for example, will pull up the registry page showing where all deeds (purchases and mortgages) concerning property #1 at Rysstad can be found in the pantebok (https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/18250/92). The fifth entry in this registry, for example, shows you that you need to go to vol. 3, p. 130 in the Setesdal pantebok to see a transaction by which this property was transferred from Torgeir Jahnsen to his son Bjug (?) Torgeirsen in July 1830.

 

The mortgage books (pantebok) themselves are found here: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/sources?s=&from=&to=&archive_key=&st[]=PBOK&m[]=0939

 

To continue with the example, vol. 3, p. 130 is here: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/18174/131 (the relevant entry is the second one, headed "Nr. 4").

 

You will not see your ancestors' signatures here, because these records are not the actual sales or mortgage transactions, but rather a recording of the documents in the official deed books by the registrar or clerk of deeds.

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Arne B. Kristiansen
4 timer siden, Murray Rystead skrev:

For the hylestad, Valle region ... preferably Nomeland/Helle/Uppstad/Rysstad .... 
 

It do not match any know region i Norway.... Hyllestad is in Sogn and Fjordand and Valle in Vest-Agder...………...

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Murray Rystead

How bout this one? The one located at Fossen?

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Murray Rystead

Or this ....

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Linda Wathne
58 minutter siden, Arne B. Kristiansen skrev:

It do not match any know region i Norway.... Hyllestad is in Sogn and Fjordand and Valle in Vest-Agder...………...

 

Valle is also in Setesdal, Aust-Agder, and so is/was Hylestad . 🙂 

https://no.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hylestad

 

Linda 

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Carl-Henry Geschwind
14 hours ago, Murray Rystead said:

Or this ....

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So that is Rysstad (GNR 68), property no. 31.

 

The search for the property register gives you this: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/tl/preg/search?municipalities[]=0939&gnr=68&bnr=31&matrnr=&lnr=&other_no=&name=

 

Clicking on the actual page of the registry gives you this: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/tl20080522340407

 

But the first entry tells you that this property no. 31 was split off from Rysstad nr. 2 in 1912. Before that it was merely a cottage on property #2. So backtracking to look at the property registry for Rysstad nr. 2, you get to this page: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/tl20080522340303.

 

The two relevant entries here are one from 21 Feb 1825, by which Arne Aanesen and the other heirs of Thore [?] Halversdatter sell the property to Arne's son Ole Arnesen, and another dated 9 Dec 1865 by which Ole Arnesen sells the property to his oldest son Aanon Olsen. So this would indicate that Ole Arnesen owned the place when Åshild Bjugsdatter was born there in 1840.

 

 

 

 

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Carl-Henry Geschwind
14 hours ago, Murray Rystead said:

How bout this one? The one located at Fossen?

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The bygdebok doesn't say so outright, but Helle is GNR 70. So, searching for GNR 70, bnr 25 gives https://media.digitalarkivet.no/tl/preg/search?counties[]=09&gnr=70&bnr=25&matrnr=&lnr=&other_no=&name=

 

Clicking on the page in the property registry gives you: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/18252/186

 

Once again, this property was not separated out until 1931; before then it was a mere cottage on property no. 2 at Helle.

 

So looking at the property registry for GNR 70, bnr 2 takes you here: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/18250/152. But again, property no. 2 was not separated from property no. 1 until 1838. So, to see who owned it in 1827 you have to look at property no. 1.

 

Property registry for GNR 70, bnr 1 is here: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/tl20080522340359. And here the relevant entries are the one dated 16 Feb 1804, by which Halvor Knutsen and his wife Aasne [?] Arnesdatter sell the property to their son Gunder Halvorsen, and the one dated 28 June 1844, by which the property is transferred out of the estate of Gunder Halvorsen. Thus, in 1827, when Knut Tarjeisson was born there, the property was owned by Gunder Halvorsen.

 

 

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Murray Rystead

thank you everyone for this great information. So is there a way for me to see the official deed information that would show my ancestors signatures?

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Ivar S. Ertesvåg
35 minutter siden, Murray Rystead skrev:

So is there a way for me to see the official deed information that would show my ancestors signatures?

 

This was answered here (#3):

 

På 15.9.2018 den 23.34, Carl-Henry Geschwind skrev:

You will not see your ancestors' signatures here, because these records are not the actual sales or mortgage transactions, but rather a recording of the documents in the official deed books by the registrar or clerk of deeds.

 

The signatures are on the original transaction documents, which were kept by the parties. The only way you can see these signatures is if the documents are preserved by the sucessors. Then, if the document exist, if you find out who has it, and if you get access to it - you can see the signature. This is possibile, but not very likely.

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Murray Rystead

oh boy! so yeah that will be very difficult to acquire. Yeah, I think it's impossible. Thanks for clarifying that with me.

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Murray Rystead

Rysstad is 68, is it the same for Nomeland and Uppstad? If not, what are their GNR's?

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Carl-Henry Geschwind
2 hours ago, Murray Rystead said:

Rysstad is 68, is it the same for Nomeland and Uppstad? If not, what are their GNR's?

 

Nomeland is GNR 64; Oppstad is GNR 60.

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