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I was trying to look at the 1865 census, but since I can't read Norwegian, obviously I struggled.  Is there anyone who can do research on my family if I provided names, dates, Parish and other info I have?

Takk!

Mark

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Grethe Flood
2 timer siden, Mark Goddard skrev:

Is there anyone who can do research on my family if I provided names, dates, Parish and other info I have?

 

You may also post some of your questions here at the User's Forum ("Brukernes eget forum") and we may try to help you. 

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Mark Goddard

Thank You!

Johannes (John) Simonson

BIRTH 14 FEB 1868 • Ensby, Oyer Parish, Norway

DEATH 18 JAN 1916 • Columbus, Burke County, North Dakota

He is my great-grandfather, married to:

 

Eline (Eleanora) Berntsdatter

BIRTH 01 AUG 1871 • Lillehammer, Oppland, Norway

DEATH 16 JUL 1948 • Columbus, North Dakota

 

I have John Simonson’s parents as:

Simen Olsen

BIRTH Ensby, Oyer Parish, Norway

DEATH Unknown

 

And Simen married to either a Karen Pedersdr or a Karen Tostesdatter

 

I was hoping that the census would give me more clues but am struggling to decipher them.

Mark

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Håkon Kolltveit Larsen
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1 time siden, Mark Goddard skrev:

Johannes (John) Simonson

BIRTH 14 FEB 1868 • Ensby, Oyer Parish, Norway

DEATH 18 JAN 1916 • Columbus, Burke County, North Dakota

This is him in the 1875 census: 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052093000594

 

The census tell that he lives of his mother Karen Tostensdatter born in 1842 in Øyer. The mother is unmarried

 

This is him baptised, number 27 on the 13 March 1868, born on 14 February 1868 outside of marriage the father is Simon Olsen and Karen Tostensdatter both living at Li in Øyer: 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070131640292

 

Edited by Håkon Kolltveit Larsen

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Håkon Kolltveit Larsen
1 time siden, Mark Goddard skrev:

Eline (Eleanora) Berntsdatter

BIRTH 01 AUG 1871 • Lillehammer, Oppland, Norway

DEATH 16 JUL 1948 • Columbus, North Dakota

This is her in the 1875 census: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052095004975

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Anne-Lise Hansen
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Karen (Karn) Tostensdtr servant at the farm Langsveen in 1865:

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038063000349

 

Karen’s baptism: 

 

Oppland fylke, Tretten, Øyer i Øyer, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1842-1857), Fødte og døpte 1842, Side 4
Permanent bilde-ID: kb20070131630516
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070131630516

No. 30 - bottom left page

 

Parents:

Tosten Jensen and Lisbeth Amundsdtr. living at Klokkerstuen.

Sponsors: Even Li, Knud Li, ....? Klokkerstuen, Sigrid Øvremoen, Sigrid Skjönsberg.
 

‘Parent search’ at FamilySearch shows more children:

 

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?father_givenname=Tosten&father_surname=Jensen&mother_givenname=Lisbet&record_country=Norway&count=20

Edited by Anne-Lise Hansen

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Mark Goddard

I can't thank all of you enough!  Amazing!  and of course, it always opens more questions!!

So what kind of a place did they live where my grandfather Simen was a servant and Karen is listed as a milkmaid.   Where would find stories of the place and time?

 

I am assuming that the son takes the father's first name and adds "son" hence this is where Simonson came from, and hence the line that leads to me.  Is that correct?  

 

Is there any trace of Simen Olsen's parents?

 

What do you mean by sponsors, as in "Sponsors: Even Li, Knud Li, ....? Klokkerstuen, Sigrid Øvremoen, Sigrid Skjönsberg."

 

I am blessed to have all your help!

Mark

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Anton Hagelee
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Here is a Johannes Simens. age 38 from Faaberg leaving in 1906 going to South Dakota. I do not see any of his family traveling with him?

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000574702

 

Likely him arriving in Canada. Record from Ancestry.com.  I see that you have a Family Tree on Ancestry.com so you should be able to access the original manifest. 

 

Johan Simensen

 in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name:Johan Simensen

Gender:Male

Arrival Age:39

Birth Year:abt 1867

Departure Port:Liverpool, England

Arrival Date:17 Aug 1906

Arrival Port:Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Vessel:Ionian

 

I see, the rest of the  family did not leave until 1909. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000595199

 

 

Edited by Anton Hagelee

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Anne-Lise Hansen
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I thought ‘godparents’ / vitnesses to the baptism were called sponsors..

 

 

Edited by Anne-Lise Hansen

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Anton Hagelee
3 minutes ago, Anne-Lise Hansen said:

I thought ‘godparents’ / vitnesses to the baptism was called sponsors. 

 

Yes that is true but not so much in America, where we usually use godparents or witnesses. 

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Anne-Lise Hansen
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Simen Olsen at Li was born about 1837. I have found two candidates in the confirmation lists in 1852. - no. 9 and 16.

 

Oppland fylke, Tretten, Øyer i Øyer, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1842-1857), Konfirmerte 1853, Side 192
Permanent bilde-ID: kb20070131630681
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070131630681

 

Nr. 9 is not the Simen at Li farm. Nr. 9 is living at home with his parents in 1865:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038063000566

 

 

I think this is the Simen Olsen (with parents Ole and Dorthe) born in Ringsaker (no. 16 in the confirmation list)  in Öyer in 1875:

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052093000449

 

Name: Simen Olsen
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Feb 1870
Event Place: Øyer, Oppland, Norway
Event Place (Original): Oyer, Opland, Norway
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Sidsel Olsdr
Spouse's Gender: Female

GS Film Number: 307279
 

Citing this Record
"Norway Marriages, 1660-1926", database, FamilySearch ( https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWCF-8Z7 : 20 February 2020), Sidsel Olsdr in entry for Simen Olsen, 1870. 

 

The marriage in the church book:

 

Oppland fylke, Øyer, Tretten i Øyer, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1858-1874), Viede 1870, Side 233
Permanent bilde-ID: kb20070131640423
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070131640423

(No. 3 in 1870)
 

Edited by Anne-Lise Hansen

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Mark Goddard

Thank you again.  I believe grandfather came over first with perhaps the older kids (boys) and then grandmother came later with the little ones... still nailing down the details of that.

But it is so wonderful to get info about the "srvant and the mildmaid"

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Mark Goddard

When I look at a page like https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052093000594 it lists "Residents" below Johannes' name and most all the names end in "datter"

What is the significance of that?

 

And so I'm not bothering you all too much, how do I find more about where they lived, the life and times, etc?

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Anton Hagelee
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Just like names that end with son or sen mean that name is derived from the father, ie Ole is the fathers first name and the son is Olesen or Oleson or Olson etc. The names of the girls end with datter or dotter ie the daughter of the father. Ole is the father and the his girl children take the name Olsdatter etc. 

 

Here are some links for Life in Norway in the 1800's  or so.

 

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~anderson1836/genealogy/norwegian_life.htm

 

http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm

 

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na2.html

 

http://www.naha.stolaf.edu/pubs/nas/volume33/vol33_07.htm

 

Edited by Anton Hagelee

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Anton Hagelee
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According to the 1865 Census for Bernt Syversen he was born about 1840 and married to Martha Larsdatter. This is likely the marriage of the couple  May of 1860. 

 

See the original record at number 6.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603630456

 

You can also find the record in the Ancestry.com site but it is a little tricky because of the way they close to spell Oppland. 

 

Bernt Syversen

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Bernt Syversen

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:8 mai 1860 (8 May 1860)

Marriage Place:Faaberg ,Opland,Norway

Spouse:Marta Larsdr

FHL Film Number:307282

 

The most likely baptism record for Bernt Syversen born about 1840 is this one. 

 

Bernt Sivertsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Bernt Sivertsen

Gender:Male

Birth Date:25 sep 1840

Baptism Date:4 okt 1840 (4 Oct 1840)

Baptism Place:Faaberg,Opland,Norway

Father:Syver Svendsen

Mother:Ingeborg Larsdt.

FHL Film Number:125457

 

See number 43

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603630301

 

This is likely the marriage of the parents of Bernt in 1830. . They are Syver Syversen and Ingeborg Larsdatter..

 

Syvert Svendsen

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Syvert Svendsen

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:11 mai 1830 (11 May 1830)

Marriage Place:Faaberg,Opland,Norway

Spouse:Ingeborg Larsdr

FHL Film Number:125458

 

Number 21

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603630217

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by Anton Hagelee

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Anton Hagelee
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It gets little tricky to push back further but the marriage record forSyvert  Svendsen in 1830 gives him the farm name Onsum. There is a record for the baptism of a Siver in 1807 with father Svend and the farm named Onsum. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000001322037

 

Siver Svendsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Siver Svendsen

Gender:Male

Birth Date:14 apr 1807

Baptism Date:19 apr 1807

Baptism Place:Faaberg ,Opland,Norway

Father:Svend Onsum

FHL Film Number:125456

 

Original record is in the middle column at Dom Jubilate, which is 19 April in 1807. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603620586

 

Maybe the marriage of Svend Onsum. His full name is Svend Christiansen Onsum.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000946297

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603620540

Edited by Anton Hagelee

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Anne-Lise Hansen
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13 timer siden, Anton Hagelee skrev:

Here is a Johannes Simens. age 38 from Faaberg leaving in 1906 going to South Dakota. I do not see any of his family traveling with him?

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000574702

 

Likely him arriving in Canada. Record from Ancestry.com.  I see that you have a Family Tree on Ancestry.com so you should be able to access the original manifest. 

 

Johan Simensen

 in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name:Johan Simensen

Gender:Male

Arrival Age:39

Birth Year:abt 1867

Departure Port:Liverpool, England

Arrival Date:17 Aug 1906

Arrival Port:Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Vessel:Ionian

 

I see, the rest of the  family did not leave until 1909. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000595199

 

 

 

 

Eline and their children emigrating in 1909:

 

       
Eline Simens. Faaberg 1871     1909-03-27 Minnesota   Emigrants from Oslo 1867-1930
Karl Martin Johannes. Simens. Faaberg 1892     1909-03-27 Minnesota   Emigrants from Oslo 1867-1930
Alfred Simens. Faaberg 1897     1909-03-27 Minnesota   Emigrants from Oslo 1867-1930
Elise Simens. Faaberg 1902     1909-03-27 Minnesota   Emigrants from Oslo 1867-1930
Syver Simens. Faaberg 1905     1909-03-27 Minnesota   Emigrants from Oslo 1867-1930
Otto Simens. Faaberg 1907     1909-03-27 Minnesota   Emigrants from Oslo 1867-1930
Edited by Anne-Lise Hansen

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For me to get an overwiew - the family in Faaberg in 1900:

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01037088005191

 

001 Johannes Simensen 01 1866 Øier b hf g Husmand m j
002 Eline Berntsdatter 01 1871 Fåberg b hm g Husmandskone
003 Benhard Johannessen 01 1890 Fåberg b s ug Søn
004 Karl Johannessen 01 1892 Fåberg b s ug Søn
005 Marie Johannesdatter 01 1894 Fåberg b d ug Datter
006 Alfred Johannessen 01 1896 Fåberg b s ug Søn
007 Johanne Johannesdatter 01 1900-03-10 Fåberg b d ug Datter
008 Bernt Lauritsen 01 1882 Fåberg b Inderst fl ug

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Anne-Lise Hansen
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More than five children in Minnesota in 1910..

 

Name: Johanes Simenson
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1910
Event Place: Big Bend, Chippewa, Minnesota, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 43
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race (Original): White
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1867
Birthplace: Norway
Immigration Year: 1906
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Sheet Letter: B
Sheet Number: 5

 

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Johanes Simenson Head M 43 Norway
Elene Simenson Wife F 39 Norway
Carl N Simenson Son M 17 Norway
Marie Simenson Daughter F 15 Norway
Alfred Simenson Son M 12 Norway
Johann Simenson Daughter F 10 Norway
Elise Simenson Daughter F 7 Norway
Sivert Limenson Son M 5 Norway
Otto Simenson Son M 3 Norway
Ben Simenson Son M 19 Norway


District: ED 10
Sheet Number and Letter: 5B
Household ID: 82
Affiliate Name: The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
Affiliate Publication Number: T624
Affiliate Film Number: 693
GS Film Number: 1374706
Digital Folder Number: 004972527
Image Number: 00931
 

Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1910," database with images, FamilySearch ( https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2L2-K32 : accessed 10 March 2020), Ben Simenson in household of Johanes Simenson, Big Bend, Chippewa, Minnesota, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 10, sheet 5B, family 82, NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1982), roll 693; FHL microfilm 1,374,706. 

 

 

Three of the children must have travelled before their mother and the other children - Bernhard (Ben), Marie and Johanne.

Edited by Anne-Lise Hansen

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Mark Goddard

Wow...especially to Anton and Anne-Lise.  You have given so much of your time, so much information and I cannot thank you enough.  I have quite a bit of info already of the Simonsons after they settled in America, but all this gives the information I was missing to connect things back to Norway, plus all the historical links about life in those times.  You've given me a lot of reading and work to do, plus I want to embed all the links you provided to the appropriate family member on my Ancestry site so the information can carry forward to other people.

 

In the seventies I traveled to Norway, thinking naively I would see my grandfather's home, and traveled to Lillehammer, not realizing there were two cities of that name (different spellings) and I went to the wrong one.  But of course I wasn't armed with all the information I've gathered over the years.  Perhaps one day I can return, and touch the land my ancestors once touched.

 

My deepest thanks, and I've bookmarked this forum in case I stumble across more mysteries (as I'm sure I will since unraveling history is like doors opening to doors opening to doors...)

Mark 

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@Mark Goddard

I have added some more about Simen Olsen in entry #14, where I have tried to eliminate one of the two Simen I found.

Edited by Anne-Lise Hansen

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