Andrew Heinrich Stone, born in Christiania, Norway 18 November 1882, arrived in New Zealand in September 1901

[Lars E. Øyane]

Følgjande etterlysning er nettopp send ut på den norsk-amerikanske Rootsweblista - dette er vel noko som ein og annan lesar av Brukarforum lett kan løysa...:

 

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My name is Rodney Price and I live in New Zealand.

My maternal grandfather was Andrew Heinrich Stone born in Christiania, Norway. He applied for naturalization in New Zealand in 1914. In this application he stated that he was born on 18 November 1882, and that he arrived in New Zealand in September 1901.

I understand that his parents were Carl Johan Steen / Marie Josephine Hemmingsen. I do not know the dates of birth or death of his parents. I further understand that Andrew changed his surname from Steen to Stone when he arrived in New Zealand.

He married Barbara Ann Stenhouse in Wellington, New Zealand, on 9 March 1908; she was born in Scotland. She also went by the name Barbara Ethel Stenhouse.

What I would like to do is apply for a birth certificate for Andrew Heinrich Stone/Steen. Can someone tell me how to apply for such a birth certificate? I'm hoping this birth certificate might give the ages of his parents at the time of his birth. I'm wanting to try and find when and where his parents were born, and when and where they died. I have a photo of the parents in Christiania, Norway, in 1902.

I'm looking forward to any help that someone can give me.

Rodney Price
 

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Eg takkar so mykje på førehand for alle gode tips!

[Jarleif Nordheim]

Det finnes i hvert fall en aktuell Carl Johan Steen i Kragerø Ft 1875: http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1875&knr=0801&kenr=040&bnr=0001&lnr=00

 

Jarleif

[Berit Knudsen]

Nå har jeg lett igjennom alle kirkebøkene i Oslo og Ø. og V. Aker fra 18/11 1882 - juni/juli 1883, og fant kun 1 med fødselsdato 18/11 1882. Jeg har også sjekket dissentere og andre samfunn.

Jeg så kun etter datoen.  https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060928050098

Navnet Henrik finnes iall der. Han bodde hjemme hos foreldrene i 1900 og het da Alfred Olsen.

Endret September 19, 2018 av Berit Knudsen

[Egil Johannessen]

6 timer siden, Lars E. Øyane skrev:

Følgjande etterlysning er nettopp send ut på den norsk-amerikanske Rootsweblista

 

Kan du legge ut lenke til denne etterlysningen 🙂 !

[Egil Johannessen]

8 minutter siden, Egil Johannessen skrev:

Kan du legge ut lenke til denne etterlysningen 🙂 !

 

https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/norway.rootsweb.com/2018/9/

 

Bare greit å følge med om/når det kommer svar! Hvilket det har gjort!

 

Welcome at Norway List!

It would be of help if you mention the profession of the father Carl Johan and of Andreas Heinrich if possible

When it is stated “born in Kristiana” it mostly mean that the last domicile has been Kristiana.
Sometimes the person might have been born in Kristiana but often somewhere in the surroundings of Kristiana.

I have found “a”  Carl Johan Steen
Census 1910 Bærum 
Akershus
Carl J. Steen born 18-6-1838 in 
Vang Hedmarken
Oberst pensionist
+ Sofie Steen b 17-5-1861 in Borre

This Sofie is called Sofie Catharine and not Henningsen.

I am not sure that these persons are Andrews parents. It must be investigated if they had a son named Anders/Andreas
I do not agree with the finding of Eivind Steen either

It is possible that Andrew went in Norway by his patronym:  Carlsen.
The name “Steen”is also a farmname *gårdsname) at different locations.
He could have taken the name: Steen at the time of his emigration of even immigration.
And not before in time

So it’s not as easy as it looks like

Will be continued!

Reina

Endret September 19, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Lars E. Øyane]

Hjarteleg takk til Jarleif, Berit og Egil for nye innlegg.

 

Her følgjer linkane til forespørsli som kom frå Rodney samt første svaret frå Clark:

 

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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:04:25 +0000
From: Rodney Price <rodneyprice42@hotmail.com>
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My name is Rodney Price and I live in New Zealand.

My maternal grandfather was Andrew Heinrich Stone born in Christiania, Norway. He applied for naturalization in New Zealand in 1914. In this application he stated that he was born on 18 November 1882, and that he arrived in New Zealand in September 1901.

I understand that his parents were Carl Johan Steen / Marie Josephine Hemmingsen. I do not know the dates of birth or death of his parents. I further understand that Andrew changed his surname from Steen to Stone when he arrived in New Zealand.

He married Barbara Ann Stenhouse in Wellington, New Zealand, on 9 March 1908; she was born in Scotland. She also went by the name Barbara Ethel Stenhouse.

What I would like to do is apply for a birth certificate for Andrew Heinrich Stone/Steen. Can someone tell me how to apply for such a birth certificate? I'm hoping this birth certificate might give the ages of his parents at the time of his birth. I'm wanting to try and find when and where his parents were born, and when and where they died. I have a photo of the parents in Christiania, Norway, in 1902.

I'm looking forward to any help that someone can give me.

Rodney Price

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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 20:00:14 +0900
From: Clark Pederson <repete009@gol.com>
Subject: [NOR] Re: Andrew Heinrich Stone born 1882
To: <norway@rootsweb.com>, Rodney Price <rodneyprice42@hotmail.com>
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Hei Rodney,
Knowing how names get changed / morph into variations, I found the 
following family in the 1900 census for Oslo/Christiania.  Starting with 
#224782 is:
Carl Julius Steen, born 1846
Maren Andrine Steen (Pettersdatter), born 1856
*Evind Steen, born 1882**
*Carl August Steen, born 1884
Ninie Florense Steen born 1894
Astrid Steen, born 13 April 1899
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gda.arkivverket.no_cgi-2Dwin_webcens.exe-3Fslag-3Dvisbase-26sidenr-3D1-26filnamn-3Df00301-26gardpostnr-3D8359-26personpostnr-3D224784-26merk-3D224784-23ovre&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=wKgXGfJAsND_fyEr0dXdmBAoxb3zAFC1NuSC_p5Q23A&m=eQuSnFCaErVN990ggQmXForKq1pxDNELWtAS6a4MsE8&s=y5C4o-FLuOidg2M70PJlaZutkFDydm4o0nGtsH6K3jc&e=
Otherwise, I have not been able to come up with anything close.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.  If nothing else, this will keep 
others from looking at the same information. 😞
Have a nice day!
Clark in Japan

 

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Det er ogso komne to svar til som kommenterte dette første, men eg har liten trtu på at dette kan vera den rette huslyden...

 

Det siste svaret frå Reina har eg ikkje enno hatt høve til å studera, men det ser ikkje so aller verst ut...

 

Eg takkar på ny for alle innspel!

[Lars Johannessen]

Er dette paret sjekket ut?

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7PY-K1K

 

Name:	Karl Johan Hansen
Birth Date:	1852
Spouse's Name:	Marie Josefine Theodora Henningsen
Spouse's Birth Date:	1857
Event Date:	08 Oct 1882
Event Place:	Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father's Name:	Hans Gustavsen Mostad
Spouse's Father's Name:	Lars Henningsen
Marital Status:	Single
Spouse's Marital Status:	Single

[Egil Johannessen]

41 minutter siden, Lars Johannessen skrev:

Er dette paret sjekket ut?

 

Har sett på det - paret fikk en sønn Anders Martinius f. 6. november 1882 - # 16 - Oslo fylke, Uranienborg i Oslo, Ministerialbok nr. 1 (1880-1895), Fødte og døpte 1883, Side 38, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060901030274

Endret September 19, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

27 minutter siden, Lars Johannessen skrev:

Er dette paret sjekket ut?

 

Lysning - Oslo fylke, Uranienborg i Oslo, Lysningsprotokoll nr. I 1 (1880-1887), Lysninger 1882, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060515070012

 

Vielsen, # 37 - Oslo fylke, Uranienborg i Oslo, Ministerialbok nr. 2 (1880-1896), Viede 1882, Side 111, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060901040012

Endret September 19, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

FT 1883 - Oslo fylke, Kristiania, Kommunal folketelling nr. 1-14 (1883-1883), Dokumentside, Side 541, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/of20130927000541

 

FT 1885 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01053257048224

Endret September 19, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

41 minutter siden, Lars Johannessen skrev:

Marie Josefine Theodora Henningsen

 

Hun døde i 1886 - DFP # 2657 - Oslo fylke, Oslo skifterett, Dødsfallsprotokoll nr. A 13 (1885-1887), Dødsfallsprotokollside, Side 185, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20081222310762

 

# 44 - Oslo fylke, Uranienborg i Oslo, Ministerialbok nr. 4 (1880-1901), Døde og begravede 1887, Side 45, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060901040146

Endret September 19, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

28 minutter siden, Lars Johannessen skrev:

Karl Johan Hansen

 

Han giftet seg igjen i 1891 med Inger Marie Pedersdtr. - # 30 - Oslo fylke, Kampen i Oslo, Ministerialbok nr. I 4 (1885-1892), Viede 1891, Side 64, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060921050753

Endret September 19, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

FT 1900 for Karl Johan med familie - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01037045082639

 

FT 1900 for Anders Martinius - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01037045192279

[Egil Johannessen]

Sannsynlig samme Anders Marthinius som emigrerer i 1901 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000523052

[Egil Johannessen]

FT 1910 for Karl Johan med familie - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036392269979

[Egil Johannessen]

Karl Johan og Inger Marie i FT 1923

 

Endret September 19, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Vidar Øverlie]

Hei

Egil har nok funnet den rette personen for i forbindelse med hans død er det opplyst at Andrew Henrich Stone var født 6. 11.1882 i Christiania.

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9CZ-7Y7?i=278&amp;cc=1865481

[Egil Johannessen]

Har ikke funnet Steen navnet i noen tilknytning til disse. Vet heller ikke hvorfor Anders Martinius skulle bruke Henrik/Henry som mellomnavn. Dersom det var han som reiste i 1901 dro han i tilfelle først til USA. Det skulle vært interessant å vite hvor nevnte Andrew Heinrich/Henry kom ifra da han ankom NZ i 1901. 

 

Inger Marie Hansen døde i 1936 og Karl Johan Hansen i 1943.

Arbeiderbladet, Oslo, 19.10.1936

 

Endret September 19, 2018 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

27 minutter siden, Vidar Øverlie skrev:

Hei

Egil har nok funnet den rette personen for i forbindelse med hans død er det opplyst at Andrew Henrich Stone var født 6. 11.1882 i Christiania.

 

Bra funn Vidar !

[Lars E. Øyane]

Hjarteleg takk til Lars J., Egil og Vidar for kjempefine innlegg.  Lars sitt funn var jo ein «fulltreffer», og er sikker på at Rodney vert kjempenøgd!

 

Eg har nettopp sendt denne meldingi til Rodney på New Zealand:

 

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Dear Rodney,

As I saw your message this morning (Europe time), I decided I would try sending your inquiry to the Norwegian Digital Archive site, and that was a great success!  Your relatives have been found!

Here is the link to said topic:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__forum.arkivverket.no_topic_225796-2Dandrew-2Dheinrich-2Dstone-2Dborn-2Din-2Dchristiania-2Dnorway-2D18-2Dnovember-2D1882-2Darrived-2Din-2Dnew-2Dzealand-2Din-2Dseptember-2D1901_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=wKgXGfJAsND_fyEr0dXdmBAoxb3zAFC1NuSC_p5Q23A&m=9EqFrbCN3WjOlQyitJWjH_LAJBmryNblRPEf0hM_Z_4&s=_xECCQnh-I5WHvJeajF2lAVvlzwQywVYsceYM-fo4II&e=

Summary: 

The original marriage record of Andrew’s parents: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__media.digitalarkivet.no_view_5441_118&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=wKgXGfJAsND_fyEr0dXdmBAoxb3zAFC1NuSC_p5Q23A&m=9EqFrbCN3WjOlQyitJWjH_LAJBmryNblRPEf0hM_Z_4&s=GwT4kf8A_pI4u8YvhNvrvmWU32LH2KBwgf_aPNZstMs&e=

Name: Karl Johan Hansen <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__familysearch.org_ark-3A_61903_1-3A1-3AN7PY-2DK1L&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=wKgXGfJAsND_fyEr0dXdmBAoxb3zAFC1NuSC_p5Q23A&m=9EqFrbCN3WjOlQyitJWjH_LAJBmryNblRPEf0hM_Z_4&s=uNxgFU0GQDzkptfqD9MjsHGQNSOaxTwhJvqbtuXpqlE&e=>
Birth Date: 1852
Spouse's Name: Marie Josefine Theodora Henningsen 
Spouse's Birth Date: 1857
Event Date: 08 Oct 1882
Event Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father's Name: Hans Gustavsen Mostad <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__familysearch.org_ark-3A_61903_1-3A1-3AN7PY-2DK1G&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=wKgXGfJAsND_fyEr0dXdmBAoxb3zAFC1NuSC_p5Q23A&m=9EqFrbCN3WjOlQyitJWjH_LAJBmryNblRPEf0hM_Z_4&s=38CYegswVqGw9m4ft-r2VEF4UMyUeIrNMdnw3w0t31Y&e=>
Spouse's Father's Name:  Lars Henningsen <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__familysearch.org_ark-3A_61903_1-3A1-3AN7PY-2DK12&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=wKgXGfJAsND_fyEr0dXdmBAoxb3zAFC1NuSC_p5Q23A&m=9EqFrbCN3WjOlQyitJWjH_LAJBmryNblRPEf0hM_Z_4&s=KgSfRhRd1E3cow2__7xbY2PbgbD1dm5v5jgj1lRWNZk&e=>
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status:  Single 

Their son Andreas Martinus was born in Oslo Nov. 6, 1882: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__media.digitalarkivet.no_view_5440_44&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=wKgXGfJAsND_fyEr0dXdmBAoxb3zAFC1NuSC_p5Q23A&m=9EqFrbCN3WjOlQyitJWjH_LAJBmryNblRPEf0hM_Z_4&s=dHTMVei8v0f4y9So166Q_n5avt1R528k7gB_jHIvYT8&e=

The mother Marie Josephine Theodora Hansen died in Oslo Dec. 2, 1886: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__media.digitalarkivet.no_view_5442_39&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=wKgXGfJAsND_fyEr0dXdmBAoxb3zAFC1NuSC_p5Q23A&m=9EqFrbCN3WjOlQyitJWjH_LAJBmryNblRPEf0hM_Z_4&s=GdaVqmPT2UT1biHgQjpKgI4Pqxq-HBNm_qBPd4olcUE&e=

The father in the 1900 Oslo census with new wife: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.digitalarkivet.no_census_person_pf01037045082639&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=wKgXGfJAsND_fyEr0dXdmBAoxb3zAFC1NuSC_p5Q23A&m=9EqFrbCN3WjOlQyitJWjH_LAJBmryNblRPEf0hM_Z_4&s=byxIHA-ljJwd2ImVvge2GpubB-xu_iKSZ4ILkIo_L5w&e=

An emigration record shows Andreas emigrated in 1901 to New York, so he apparently made a short stop there before heading for New Zealand!

Item #17 proves that Andrew Heinrich Stone was indeed born on Nov. 6, 1882 - he died Nov. 28, 1918

The marriage record from 1882 shows that Karl was born in Id Co. near Halden, Norway, while Marie was born in Christiania (Oslo).

No Norwegian records found so far show the Steen (Stone) name, so where he «picked» that, noone knows!

I will thank the contributors for their great assistance in this matter, and I would suggest you enter the Digital Archives (free of cost) and do he same…  And maybe you would like to ask the contributors to help you trace the family further back...

Very sincerely yours,

Lars E. Oyane
Norwegian in Bavaria, Germany
 

Endret September 19, 2018 av Lars E. Øyane