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S&F: (Dorthea) Petrine Kalgraff - til USA i 1909 - seinare lagnad?

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Gisle Hersvik
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Hei,

Viser til ein gammal debatt; https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/147657-62269-usa-frå-krakhella-og-furevik-til-mn-usa-opplysningar-om-lagnad/

 

#9:

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956

Name: Petrine Kalgraf

Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1909

Age: 24

Birth Date: abt 1885

Birth Country: Norway

Gender: Female

Race/Nationality: Scandinavian

Ship Name: Empress of Britain Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

 

- Far er Søren Kalgraf, Rognesvaag. Siste bopel for Petrine var Bergen. Skal til sin bror Severin Kalgraf i Minneapolis.

 

Men kva skjedde med Petrine (Dorthea Petrine) ?

 

 

Sjå også denne; https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/147745-62358-usa-3-søsken-frå-kalgraf-til-mn-usa-deira-lagnadetterkommere/

 

 

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la inn lenke

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Ann-Mary Engum
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Sakset fra et av dine temaer.

 

"Dorthea Petrine aka Petrine, f. 11.12.1884. Til USA i 1909."

 

 

Petrine Kalgraf

United States Border Crossings from Canada to United States, 1895-1956
 

 

 

Name: Petrine Kalgraf
Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1909
Arrival Port: Quebec, England
Age: 24
Birth Year (Estimated): 1885
Birthplace: Kalgraf,
Birth Country: Norway
Gender: Female
Race: Scandinavian
Last Place of Residence: Nor
Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Empress of Britain

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XL6G-L38

 

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Petrine Kalgraf

Vermont, St. Albans Canadian Border Crossings, 1895-1954

Name: Petrine Kalgraf
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1895-1924
Event Place: Vermont, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 24
Birth Country: Kalgraf Norway

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKQM-D4RD

 

View the original document

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99DQ-29F6-Q?cc=2185163

 

Hun skulle til Minneapolis

Edited by Ann-Mary Engum

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Torbjørn Igelkjøn
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Broren, Severin (som Petrine skulle til i 1909) vart diskutert m.a. her:

 

Biletet nederst i tråden, etterslekt til Severin:

 

bilete5580.jpg

Edited by Torbjørn Igelkjøn

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Egil Johannessen

Fint om du legger inn eksakt f. dato også i denne tråden - regner med at dette er rett (sakset fra tidligere tråd)

 

Sitat

Dorthea Petrine aka Petrine, f. 11.12.1884

 

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Ann-Mary Engum

Da er vel dette broren Severin/Siefert

Name: Siefert Kalgraff
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1920
Event Place: Minneapolis Ward 12, Hennepin, Minnesota, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 36
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Race: White
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Own or Rent: Own
Birth Year (Estimated): 1884
Birthplace: Norway
Immigration Year: 1906
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Sheet Letter: A
Sheet Number: 14
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Siefert Kalgraff
Head
Male
36
Norway
Wife
Female
37
Norway
Daughter
Female
11
Norway
Son
Male
10
Minnesota
Son
Male
9
Minnesota
Son
Male
6
Minnesota

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Egil Johannessen
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1 time siden, Gisle Hersvik skrev:

Far er Søren Kalgraf, Rognesvaag.

 

Hva het moren?

 

Jeg spør fordi ofte nevnes både far og mor ved vielse og død i amerikanske kilder.

Edited by Egil Johannessen

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Gisle Hersvik
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Foreldra hennes:
Søren Berntson f. Kolgrov/Kalgraf, 1855-1932

Ingeborg Andreasdtr f. Yttrøy, 1852-1889

 

Stemor: Dorthea Marie Jonasdtr f. Hersvik, 1867-1959

Edited by Gisle Hersvik

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Torbjørn Igelkjøn
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???

 

Name: Emil Johnson
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Sep 1916
Event Place: Hennepin, Minnesota, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Year (Estimated): 1888
Spouse's Name: Thrina Kalgraf
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Age: 31
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1885
Page: 22

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VKN1-3KD

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Gisle Hersvik

Severin f. 22 Sep 1882 sine etterkommere er eg meir komfortabel med.

 

Petrine f. 11 Dec 1884 sin lagnad er ukjent, det samme gjelder broren Johannes (John), f. 5 Feb 1887.

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Egil Johannessen
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7 minutter siden, Torbjørn Igelkjøn skrev:

Thrina Kalgraf

Minnesota, County Marriages, 1860-1949

 

The U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969 - Lenke Ancestry: https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=ELCAbmd&indiv=try&h=9523310
Name:    Thrina Kalgrof
[Thrina Kalgraf] 
Gender:    Female
Record Type:    Marriage
Birth Place:    Norge
Marriage Date:    23 Sep 1916
Marriage Place:    Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
Father:    Sòren Kalgraf
Spouse:    Emil Johnson
Church Name:    Zion Lutheran
Church Location:    Minneapolis, Minnesota

Edited by Egil Johannessen

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Egil Johannessen

Vitner ved vielsen

 

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Gisle Hersvik

Takk!

Eg har vel trudd at dei ikkje vart gifte sidan eg ikkje fann noko om dette, men no er det bevist at dei vart gifte.

Broren Severin Kalgraf og kona Hanna f. Færøy i Solund er vitner.

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Egil Johannessen
7 minutter siden, Gisle Hersvik skrev:

Eg har vel trudd at dei ikkje vart gifte sidan eg ikkje fann noko om dette

 

På hvilken måte har du trodd at de ikke var gifte - har du koblet dem tidligere?

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Torbjørn Igelkjøn
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Litt utanfor tema: Gudrun Flekke som vart gift Wangensteen same dagen (På det skanna biletet som høyrer til innlegg #8) kom frå Flekke i Sunnfjord. Ho har ein her:

https://www.geni.com/people/Gudrun-Wangensteen/6000000000320621592

Edited by Torbjørn Igelkjøn

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Gisle Hersvik
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5 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

På hvilken måte har du trodd at de ikke var gifte - har du koblet dem tidligere?

 

Nei, men eg fann ho ikkje som gift eller død. Eg trudde sønnen Oswald var fødd utenfor ekteskap.

 

Vilhelm fekk barn med ei anna kone i 1920, så da er det vel rimelig å anta at Petrine/Thrina dø før den tid.

Edited by Gisle Hersvik

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Egil Johannessen

Far til Emil Johnson oppgitt som P O Johnson ved vielsen = Peter Olai Johansen som står oppgitt som far ved ankomsten til Wilhelm Emil Johnson i 1908?

 

The U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1960 - Lenke Ancestry
Name:    Wilhelm Emil Johnsen
Gender:    Male
Race/Nationality:    Scandinavian
Age:    19
Record Type:    Manifests
Birth Date:    abt 1889
Birth Country:    Norway
Arrival Date:    16 May 1908
Port of Arrival:    Quebec, Canada
Ship Name:    Canada
Residence Place:    Nor
Line Number:    8

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Egil Johannessen
3 minutter siden, Gisle Hersvik skrev:

Nei, men eg fann ho ikkje som gift eller død. Eg trudde sønnen Oswald var fødd utenfor ekteskap.

 

Denne Ozzie?

 

The U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name:    Ozzie Johnson
[Oswald S Johnson] 
Gender:    Male
Race:    White
Birth Date:    4 Mar 1918
Birth Place:    Minneapolis, Minnesota
Death Date:    15 Nov 2000
Father:    Emil W Johnson
Mother:    Helen T Kalgraf
SSN:    473017838
Death Certificate Number:    FIX FOR "01" DOD 03/01
Notes:    Dec 1936: Name listed as OZZIE JOHNSON; 19 Apr 2001: Name listed as OSWALD S JOHNSON

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Egil Johannessen

The 1920 United States Federal Census
Name:    Helen Johnson
Age:    36
Birth Year:    abt 1884
Birthplace:    Norway
Home in 1920:    Minneapolis Ward 10, Hennepin, Minnesota
Street:    Washington Avenue
Residence Date:    1920
Race:    White
Gender:    Female
Immigration Year:    1912
Relation to Head of House:    Wife
Marital status:    Married
Spouse's name:    Emil Johnson
Father's Birthplace:    Norway
Mother's Birthplace:    Norway
Native Tongue:    Norwegian
Able to Speak English:    Yes
Naturalization Status:    Naturalized
Able to Read:    Yes
Able to Write:    Yes
Household Members:    
Emil Johnson    33
Helen Johnson    36
Oswald S Johnson    1
 

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Egil Johannessen

The Web: Minnesota, Birth Index, 1900-1934
Name:    Oswald Sverre Johnson
Birth Date:    4 Mar 1918
Birth Place:    Hennepin, Minnesota, USA
Father's Surname:    Johnson
Mother's Maiden Name:    Halgraf
Certificate Number:    1918-42393

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Egil Johannessen
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Kaller seg i tilfelle da for Helen/Helena

 

The 1930 United States Federal Census
Name:    Helena Johnson
Birth Year:    abt 1883
Gender:    Female
Race:    White
Birthplace:    Norway
Marital status:    Married
Relation to Head of House:    Wife
Homemaker?:    Yes
Home in 1930:    Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota, USA
Map of Home:    View Map
Street address:    Lyndale Avenue
Ward of City:    10th
Block:    334 365
House Number:    3622
Dwelling Number:    200
Family Number:    213
Age at first Marriage:    37
Attended School:    No
Able to Read and Write:    Yes
Father's Birthplace:    Norway
Mother's Birthplace:    Norway
Language Spoken:    Norwegian
Immigration Year:    1911
Naturalization:    Naturalized
Able to Speak English:    Yes
Household Members:    
William E Johnson    43
Helena Johnson    47
Oswald S Johnson    12
Evelyn H Johnson    9
Clarence B Johnson    6
Harold C Johnson    3

 

The 1940 United States Federal Census
Name:    Helen Johnson
Respondent:    Yes
Age:    57
Estimated birth year:    abt 1883
Gender:    Female
Race:    White
Birthplace:    Norway
Marital status:    Married
Relation to Head of House:    Wife
Home in 1940:    Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota
Map of Home in 1940:    View Map
Street:    Lyndale Avenue North
House Number:    3622
Inferred Residence in 1935:    Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota
Residence in 1935:    Same House
Citizenship:    Naturalized
Sheet Number:    7A
Attended School or College:    No
Highest Grade Completed:    Elementary school, 5th grade
Weeks Worked in 1939:    0
Income:    0
Income Other Sources:    No
Household Members:    
Emil Johnson    52
Helen Johnson    57
Evelyn Johnson    19
Clarence Johnson    16
Harold Johnson    13

Edited by Egil Johannessen

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Gisle Hersvik
1 minute ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

Denne Ozzie?

 

The U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name:    Ozzie Johnson
[Oswald S Johnson] 
Gender:    Male
Race:    White
Birth Date:    4 Mar 1918
Birth Place:    Minneapolis, Minnesota
Death Date:    15 Nov 2000
Father:    Emil W Johnson
Mother:    Helen T Kalgraf
SSN:    473017838
Death Certificate Number:    FIX FOR "01" DOD 03/01
Notes:    Dec 1936: Name listed as OZZIE JOHNSON; 19 Apr 2001: Name listed as OSWALD S JOHNSON

 

Ja, det er den! Men stoler mest på at mora var Petrine/Thrina Kalgraf, ikkje HELEN FUREVIK.

 

Har notert følgende:

***
JOHNSON, OSWALD SVERRE Date of Birth: 04 MAR 1918 Place of Birth: MINNESOTA Mother Maiden Name: FURVIK CERTID# 2000-MN-032736 Date of Death: 15 NOV 2000 County of Death: HENNEPIN 
***
Johnson, Oswald Sverre Date of Birth: 04 Mar 1918 Mother Maiden Name: Halgraf CERTID# 1918-42393 County of Birth: HENNEPIN

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Gisle Hersvik
6 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

Far til Emil Johnson oppgitt som P O Johnson ved vielsen = Peter Olai Johansen som står oppgitt som far ved ankomsten til Wilhelm Emil Johnson i 1908?

 

 

Ja, Petter Olai Johnsen/Johansen var f. ca 1838 i Bergen.

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Gisle Hersvik

Berre for å vise at Thrina og Helene ikkje er samme person:

 

Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002 
Name: Helen Johnson Birth Date: 2 Nov 1882 Death Date: 31 Mar 1968 Death County: Anoka State File Number: 019422 Certificate Number: 019422 Certificate Year: 1968 Record Number: 1702572

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Egil Johannessen
Akkurat nå, Gisle Hersvik skrev:

Minnesota Death Index, 1908-2002 
Name: Helen Johnson Birth Date: 2 Nov 1882

 

Så Emil Johnson giftet seg igjen før 1920?

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