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Ivar Moe

For the sake of order

 

When is the first registration of Louis Thompson, and when is the last registration of Ole Hansen / Pedersen?
There's so much info here now that it's easy to lose track of it.

It may be fair to know that there is no overlap between these two (or same person) with the profession engineer / machinist

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Carl-Henry Geschwind
21 minutes ago, Ivar Moe said:

When is the first registration of Louis Thompson, and when is the last registration of Ole Hansen / Pedersen?

The first registration of Louis Thompson is his British seaman's certificate, which shows him as a 3rd engineer on the Nymphaea beginning June 1875 - see post #16

 

The last registration of Ole Hansen is the Annotasjonsrulle, 1868-1875, in post #29. His seaman's patent was issued 1868 and valid through 1.1.1872, but there is a note dated 2.5.1878 that he is now a machinist out of England on the steamship Nympia [?].

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Ivar Moe
Akkurat nå, Carl-Henry Geschwind skrev:

The first registration of Louis Thompson is his British seaman's certificate, which shows him as a 3rd engineer on the Nymphaea beginning June 1875 - see post #16

 

The last registration of Ole Hansen is the Annotasjonsrulle, 1868-1875, in post #29. His seaman's patent was issued 1868 and valid through 1.1.1872, but there is a note dated 2.5.1878 that he is now a machinist out of England on the steamship Nympia [?].

 

Thanks Carl.

 

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Egil Johannessen
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13 minutter siden, Carl-Henry Geschwind skrev:

but there is a note dated 2.5.1878 that he is now a machinist out of England on the steamship Nympia [?].

 

Not sure about Nympia.....https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru20090407640171

 

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Edited by Egil Johannessen

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Per H Skaug
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So Ole Hansen, born 14 Oct 1850 in Frederikshald is a machinist at Nympia in 1878 when he disappears from Norwegian records.  (Obviously, if the ship is not Nympia, this argument falls)

 

Meanwhile, Louis Thompson, born 14 Oct 1850 in Frederikshald, is an engineer on Nympheaa  out of England from 1875 as seen on his British seaman's certificate.

 

At the same time, Ole Hansens brother Louis (Ludvig) Hansen is living the same place as Louis Thompson (whereas we still don't know of any connections between the families on either side).

 

Also, both Louis Hansen and Louis Thompson had daughters with the name Oline/Olive (as was the name of the mother of Louis and Ole Hansen). In adittion, both Louis Hansen and Louis Thompson had a watchmaker father called Peter.

 

Although this is not proven (the name change still bothers me), it must be pretty close!

 

 

Edited by Per H Skaug
Ship identified as Nympia?

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Carl-Henry Geschwind
3 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

Not sure about Nympia

 

Yes, which is why I had the [?]. I am pretty sure about the last 5 letters being "ympia". The first letter does look more like an S than an N.

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Ivar Moe
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13 minutter siden, Carl-Henry Geschwind skrev:

 

Yes, which is why I had the [?]. I am pretty sure about the last 5 letters being "ympia". The first letter does look more like an S than an N.

 

Agree. I cant find any ship with that name. 

 

In the UK archive i only find  ships named Olympia and Plympia with ending ?ympia

 

Edited by Ivar Moe

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Emma Hall

Thanks for the summaries - that really helps to put everything into place in my head (was starting to get a little overwhelmed by the information). I have emailed Philippa Hansen through Family Search to see if she can shed any light on Ludvig Hansen / Louis Hansen and his family - I will let you know what she says if she gets back to me. 

 

I also looked on the stag line records to see if they had any similar sounding ships but they don't. Perhaps the 'S'ymphia was just a clerical error?

 

 

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Egil Johannessen
2 minutter siden, Ivar Moe skrev:

There is a probate after Ludvig Pedersen / Louis Hansen, but im not able to open it.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPL6-HQ3B

 

England and Wales, National Index of Wills and Administrations, 1858-1957

 

It's an index, same as in post # 46

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Ivar Moe
8 minutter siden, Egil Johannessen skrev:

It's an index, same as in post # 46

 

Ah, ok so no additional information to get there then 😀

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Carl-Henry Geschwind

Perhaps it might be a good idea to put together what we know of the family of watchmaker Peder Hansen (to see whether we can identify the 4 children still living in 1881, and also to give Emma additional help on whom to look for in her DNA matches).

 

Per familysearch.org, I have the following children for Peder Hansen and Oline Børresdatter:

 

(1) Hans Martin, born 22 October 1845 (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060330010533, nr. 81), not found in 1865 census

 

(2) Bolette Randi, born 14 August 1848 (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060330010643, nr. 65), with family in 1865 census (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01037979007249)

 

(3) Ole, born 14 October 1850 - last known record in Norway is seaman's patent issued 1868, with note that in 1878 he was working as machinist on steamer out of England

 

(4) Sophie, born 14 March 1853 (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060330010680, nr. 27), with family in 1865 census (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01037979007250)

 

(5) Jørgine, born 28 September 1855 (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060330010705, nr. 181), not found in 1865 census

 

(6) Ludvig, born 28 April 1858, died 15 February 1937 in Kent, England (see posts #45 and 46 above), children (and presumable further descendants) in England

 

For (1) Hans Martin, can we find a confirmation record? Seaman's or emigration record, or else death record before 1865? For (2) Bolette, can we find a marriage record? For (4) Sophie, can we find a confirmation record and marriage record? For (5) Jørgine, can we find a death record before 1865?

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Per H Skaug
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33 minutes ago, Cathrin Jegersberg said:

Bolette Randi married Anton Eilertsen, not confirmed with church books. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW37-Y27

Here they are in census 1875 Halden https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052004009543

Here is the marriage record of Bolette Randi, born 22 July 1848 in Frederikshald with styrmann (mate) Anthon Eilertsen. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/6219/32044/29

 

In other words, there seem to be a seafaring trait to the siblings and their spouses. 

 

I have looked for Sophie and Jørgine, and not found anything so far.

Edited by Per H Skaug

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Carl-Henry Geschwind
33 minutes ago, Cathrin Jegersberg said:

 

And here they are in the 1885 census, still in Halden: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01053249009093

 

No children in census, and also no records for births of any children in familysearch.org

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Per H Skaug

Here is Hans Martins confirmation in 1860, number 16 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7421/81683/33

 

So there were at least 4 children alive in 1860, which of course does not mean that the rest of them were not alive at this time, nor which one of them beside Bolethe Randi, Ole (if he is Louis Thopmson) and Louis Hansen was alive in 1881.

 

Of course, the fact that there were 4 children alive in 1881 does not necessarily mean they would know the status of the 2 (presumed) brothers in England, and that they are included in these 4.

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Ragnhild K. Brænd

Fredrikshalds tilskuer 14.02.1888: 

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Emma Hall

Could Hans Martin Hansen (not Pedersen so not sure if correct) married Alvilde Emilie Steenberg in 1871  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWDF-C6B and then had a daughter

Margit Steenberg in 1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHVD-368 (baby christened the same day they were married) and then Ludvikke Dorothea in 1879 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHSK-VZP?

 

I think there may be some sons too in the 1880s.

 

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Carl-Henry Geschwind
17 minutes ago, Ragnhild K. Brænd said:

Fredrikshalds tilskuer 14.02.1888: 

 

Here is the probate for Anton Eilertsen and wife: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10051006050506. If I read this correctly, debts (kreditore) exceeded assets, so nothing left over for heirs, who are not named. Too bad.

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Carl-Henry Geschwind
3 minutes ago, Emma Hall said:

Could Hans Martin Hansen (not Pedersen so not sure if correct) married Alvilde Emilie Steenberg in 1871  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWDF-C6B and then had a daughter

Margit Steenberg in 1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHVD-368 (baby christened the same day they were married) and then Ludvikke Dorothea in 1879 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHSK-VZP?

 

Good try, but here he is in 1875 census, which shows that this Hans Martin Hansen was born 1838 in Fredriksstad (not Fredrikshald): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052006001316

 

I have not found a Hans Martin Hansen born 1845 (or thereabouts) in Fredrikshald in either the 1865 or 1875 Norwegian census

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Per H Skaug

Here is possibly Sophie Hansen at the census in 1875, as a maid in Oslo. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052055073003

 

However, there are other Sophie Hansen as candidates in later censuses (censi?) born around 1854 if Frederikshald, so it is not conclusive one way or the other that this is the correct Sofie.

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Emma Hall
3 minutes ago, Carl-Henry Geschwind said:

 

Good try, but here he is in 1875 census, which shows that this Hans Martin Hansen was born 1838 in Fredriksstad (not Fredrikshald): https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052006001316

 

I have not found a Hans Martin Hansen born 1845 (or thereabouts) in Fredrikshald in either the 1865 or 1875 Norwegian census

 

Oh - thanks. I should probably leave it to the experts! Happy to go through some church books but not sure where to start or what would be helpful?

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