Gisle Hersvik Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Eg viser til ein tidligare debatt - https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/148573-63188-gjert-gregoriusson-hovland/ - omkring denne Gjert G. Hovland, som i følge bygdebok for Askvoll truleg var den fyrste som emigrerte til Amerika frå dei traktene. På FaG finnes bilde av gravsteien hans, men den delen som nevner kona hans tydeleg er vorten knust: Gjert G.: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/154589747/gjert-g-hovland Jorgine H.: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/154589772/jorgine-hovland Då dei emigrerte frå Avaldsnes i 1831 så hadde dei også med seg sonen Gregorius Gjertsson f. 2.6.1826. I 'A History of the Norwegians of Illinois' står det på side 74: "Gjert Hovland, to New York in 1825, and to Illinois in 1834; died at Ottawa in 1870." På neste sida står følgande: "In Miller township: Gjert Hovland bought 160 acres, June 17, and same date Thorstein Olson 80 acres; June 17, Thorstein Olson bought 80 acres more, which he sold, Sept. 5, to Nels Nelson Hersdal; June 17, Nels Thompson (Thorson) bought 160 acres, and on Jan. 16, 1836, Thorstéin Olson 80 acres more." Er det så mogeleg å finne Gjert og kona i ulike Census i perioden fram til dei døde? Når døde Jorgine H.? Og kva skjedde med Gregorius G. etter dei kom til Amerika? Amerikabrev: http://nabo.nb.no/trip?_b=EMITEKST&_f=www_sub&r=838&delnr=2 Avisartikkel: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/71811650/fund-is-missing/ (Yert Hovland) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) En kandidat. Kanskje er Jest virkelig Gjert? Jest Hoveland in the 1860 United States Federal Census Name:Jest Hoveland Age:67 Birth Year:abt 1793 Gender:Male Birth Place:Norway Home in 1860:Mission, LaSalle, Illinois Post Office:Mission Dwelling Number:1897 Family Number:1908 Occupation:Farmer Real Estate Value:4800 Personal Estate Value:700 Household MembersAge Jest Hoveland67 Huldah Hoveland66 Aven Thorson27 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/37544786:7667 Edited February 23, 2021 by Anton Hagelee Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Samme familie, men kona heter Huldah og ikke Jorgine? Yort Hoveland in the 1850 United States Federal Census Name:Yort Hoveland Gender:Male Age:56 Birth Year:abt 1794 Birthplace:Norway Home in 1850:Mission, Lasalle, Illinois, USA Occupation:Farmer Industry:Agriculture Real Estate:1000 Line Number:34 Dwelling Number:2202 Family Number:2265 Household MembersAge Yort Hoveland56 Huldah Hoveland54 Caroline Hoveland16 Hannah Hoveland12 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/19207740:8054?_phsrc=xAz18&_phstart=successSource&ml_rpos=2&queryId=bd56901d987f581784bc562f28412fca Caroline ble født i 1834 i Norge og Hannah ble født i 1838 i Illinois. Edited February 23, 2021 by Anton Hagelee Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Zert Horrlands in the 1840 United States Federal Census Name:Zert Horrlands[Yert Hoveland] Home in 1840 (City, County, State):La Salle, Illinois Free White Persons - Males - 30 thru 39:1 Free White Persons - Females - 30 thru 39:1 Persons Employed in Agriculture:1 Free White Persons - 20 thru 49:2 Total Free White Persons:2 Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves:2 Bare to i hjemmet. Kanskje Gjert var gift to ganger? Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Yest Hoveland in the U.S., Federal Census Mortality Schedules, 1850-1885 Name:Yest Hoveland Gender:Male Race:White Marital Status:Married Estimated Birth Year:abt 1794 Birth Place:Norway Age:75 Death Date:Jun 1869 Cause of Death:Debility Census year:1870 Census Place:Ottawa, La Salle, Illinois, USA Line:24 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1919648:8756?tid=&pid=&queryId=1ae0ea8669c23d50436b613a63490bc9&_phsrc=iyQ5&_phstart=successSource Edited February 23, 2021 by Anton Hagelee Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Girt Hoveland in the U.S., General Land Office Records, 1776-2015 Name:Girt Hoveland Issue Date:1 Oct 1839 Place:La Salle, Illinois, USA Land Office:Chicago Meridian:3rd PM Township:34-N Range:5-E Section:6 Accession Number:IL0720__.237 Document Number:756 https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1246&h=426753&tid=&pid=&queryId=d0e95eb259484824cd65da35c378f769&usePUB=true&_phsrc=iyQ6&_phstart=successSource https://glorecords.blm.gov/details/patent/default.aspx?accession=IL0720__.237&docClass=STA&sid=af5h1j5e.1ll Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 2 timer siden, Gisle Hersvik skrev: Når døde Jorgine H.? Og kva skjedde med Gregorius G. etter dei kom til Amerika? Iflg. Norwegian immigrants to the United States - a biographical directory 1825-1850, v. 01 - side 13 - LENKE så døde sønnen Gregorius i 1839. Slik jeg forstår det så døde kona mellom 1842 og 1847? Gjert (slik jeg tolker det) giftet seg påny med Helge Hansdatter 18. februar 1847. Edited February 23, 2021 by Egil Johannessen Torbjørn Igelkjøn and Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 3 minutter siden, Egil Johannessen skrev: døde sønnen Gregorius i 1839 Det blir bekreftet i et brev han skrev i 1842 - Fra Amerikabrev - side 49 - https://www.nb.no/items/0493589f4e67f385bc72ef82e73c57a6?page=65&searchText="gjert g hovland" Edited February 23, 2021 by Egil Johannessen Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Legger også ved denne hvor det står endel om Gjert - Amerikabrev : Sogndalseminaret 2000 : 28. og 29. september - https://www.nb.no/items/ac7d05b53d1e00c81b6d3963f945497e?page=39&searchText="gjert hovland" Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Jeg vet ikke om du har ankomsten til Gjert, kona og sønnen i 1831? Jeg legger uansett ved LENKE The U.S., Atlantic Ports Arriving and Departing Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1873 and 1893-1959 Name: Gregorius Garcht Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794 Gender: Male Arrival Date: 19 Sep 1831 Port of Arrival: New Bedford, Massachusetts Port of Departure: Gothenburg, Sweden Ship Name: Franklin Edited February 23, 2021 by Egil Johannessen Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Hagelee Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) H Hoveland in the 1870 United States Federal Census Name:H Hoveland Age in 1870:73 Birth Year:abt 1797 Birthplace:Norway Dwelling Number:401 Home in 1870:Ottawa, La Salle, Illinois Race:White Gender:Female Post Office:Ottawa Occupation:Keeping House Father of Foreign Birth:Y Mother of Foreign Birth:Y Cannot Read:Y Cannot Write:Y Personal Estate Value:100 Real Estate Value:1800 Household MembersAge H Hoveland73 F D Hinkley31 Nellie Hinkley10 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/41604667:7163?tid=&pid=&queryId=e61b871b509c027d600718b9fe931b23&_phsrc=BjO17&_phstart=successSource Huldah Hoveland in the Illinois, U.S., Wills and Probate Records, 1772-1999 Name:Huldah Hoveland Probate Date:1874 Probate Place:Madison, Illinois, USA Inferred Death Year:Abt 1874 Inferred Death Place:Illinois, USA Case Number:13 Item Description:Probate case files, box 33, tray 101, H's, No. 6-36; box 33, tray 102, H's, No. 1-4, 1813-1903 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1199163:9048 Edited February 23, 2021 by Anton Hagelee Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisle Hersvik Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 https://www.nb.no/items/0493589f4e67f385bc72ef82e73c57a6?page=68&searchText="gjert g hovland" Her forstår eg det som alle tre barna hans er døde... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisle Hersvik Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 Mange takk til Anton og Egil. 6 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said: Caroline ble født i 1834 i Norge og Hannah ble født i 1838 i Illinois. - finnes det dokumentasjon på at dei faktisk var tilbake i Norge? Kvar finnes evt dåpen til Caroline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisle Hersvik Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Egil Johannessen said: Gregorius Garcht Kor kjem dette Garcht /Yarcht navnet i frå? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 4 timer siden, Gisle Hersvik skrev: Mange takk til Anton og Egil. 10 timer siden, Anton Hagelee skrev: Caroline ble født i 1834 i Norge og Hannah ble født i 1838 i Illinois. - finnes det dokumentasjon på at dei faktisk var tilbake i Norge? Kvar finnes evt dåpen til Caroline? Kan det rett og slett være en feil opplysning i census 1850? Jeg kan ikke se noen bevis for at de var hjemme i Norge av det lille jeg har lest gjennom av det som er skrevet om Gjert i diverse bøker/brev....... Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken and Gisle Hersvik 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 timer siden, Gisle Hersvik skrev: Kor kjem dette Garcht /Yarcht navnet i frå? Det står vel Yarcht (Garcht er nok en transkr. feil fra Ancestry) - men opphavet til navnet kan jeg ikke si noe om. De er også registrert som svenske i pass. listen fra 1831..... Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 5 timer siden, Gisle Hersvik skrev: Her forstår eg det som alle tre barna hans er døde... Det stemmer nok bra. Det er et testamente etter ham fra 1869 og også et fra 1910 - jeg vet ikke om du har tilgang til Ancestry, men legger ved lenker uansett. 1869 - Lenke Ancestry Et klipp fra 1869; 1910 - Lenke Ancestry Et klipp fra 1910; Edited February 23, 2021 by Egil Johannessen Gisle Hersvik and Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 ?? The Illinois, U.S., Marriage Index, 1860-1920 - https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=ArchILMarriageRecs&indiv=try&h=1421988 Name: Caroline Hoveland Gender: Female Marriage Date: 23 Oct 1854 Marriage Place: Rock Island, Illinois, USA Spouse Name: Frederick Forsalens Spouse Gender: Male Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisle Hersvik Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 Mange takk Egil, Jo eg har tilgang på Ancestry, men ikkje alt eg klarer å finne 🙂 Dei reiste jo via Sverige så det kan hende dei fann eit interessant (etter)navn dei kunne bruke før dei drog vestover.... Egil Johannessen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 minutter siden, Egil Johannessen skrev: Name: Caroline Hoveland Gender: Female Marriage Date: 23 Oct 1854 Marriage Place: Rock Island, Illinois, USA Spouse Name: Frederick Forsalens Spouse Gender: Male Illinois, County Marriages, 1810-1940 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFLV-3FN Name: Frederick Forsaleus Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 23 Oct 1854 Event Place: Rock Island, Illinois, United States Event Place (Original): Rock Island, Rock Island, Illinois Sex: Male Spouse's Name: Caroline Hovelault Spouse's Sex: Female Frame Number: 77 Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 14 minutter siden, Egil Johannessen skrev: Name: Frederick Forsaleus Samme mann som giftet seg påny i 1857? - Det kan jo da tyde på at Caroline var død mellom 1854 og 1857...... Illinois, County Marriages, 1810-1940 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFLV-3MP Name: Frederick Forsleus Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 02 Apr 1857 Event Place: Rock Island, Illinois, United States Event Place (Original): Rock Island, Rock Island, Illinois Sex: Male Spouse's Name: Eliza Swanson Spouse's Sex: Female Frame Number: 118 Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Per.H.Skaug Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) On 2/23/2021 at 4:49 AM, Gisle Hersvik said: Kor kjem dette Garcht /Yarcht navnet i frå? Garcht/Yarcht er vel bare an transkribsjon av Gjert(son)? Edited February 24, 2021 by Per.H.Skaug Gisle Hersvik and Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisle Hersvik Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 Du har nok rett i det Per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egil Johannessen Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 37 minutter siden, Egil Johannessen skrev: Name: Caroline Hoveland Gender: Female Marriage Date: 23 Oct 1854 Marriage Place: Rock Island, Illinois, USA Spouse Name: Frederick Forsalens Iflg. dette treet så er det ikke Caroline (datter av Gjert) som giftet seg med Fred. Forselius - https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/26871088/person/140071266923/facts Carolina Hoflund 1837–1855 BIRTH 28 MAY 1837 • Djursdala, Kalmar, Sweden DEATH 6 AUG 1855 • Illinois, USA Edited February 23, 2021 by Egil Johannessen Bjørn Andreas Johansønn Løkken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gisle Hersvik Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Ja eg trur nok dette er ei anna Caroline, dersom Gjert G Hovland rundt 1842 skriv at han ikkje har etterkommere... C1860: https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/37840604:7667 og dette er vel då ei dottera av Fredrik: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/71849417/the-dispatch/ Det hadde vore interessant å finne ut kvar / kva tid konene til Gjert G. Hovland døde. Og opphavet til andre kona hans. Edited February 23, 2021 by Gisle Hersvik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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