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Eg har bestilt mange testar eg har vore spent på, men eg trur denne tek kaka 😉

Birgitte Simonsdatter ser derimot til å styrke sitt kandidatur. I 1689 er det Peder Lemmichen som har hånd om 1 laup i Alme. Han kan ha kjøpt panteobligasjonen, men jeg tror heller han styrer denne som formynder for sin umyndige sønn, Hans. I 1692 er det nemlig Hans selv som har hånd om laupen i Alme. Tror jammen jeg vil være med på å spleise på den DNA-testen, Aase! Stiftamtstueregnskap nr. 91 (1689-1689), Dokumentside Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/rk20090706330319 Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Sunn- og Nordfjord, Fogderegnskap nr. 3420 (1691-1692), Dokumentside, Side 346 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/rk10051202160347

Talet manglar delvis ... men dokumentet er lest på tinget 6. oktober 1725 (står på sida framom), så det må vere før det. Dei fleste (ikkje alle) dokumenta er daterte nokså kort tid før tinglesinga. Her les eg "5te 8tbr" - altså 5. oktober. Alternativet er "Febr", men dette skriv denne skrivaren konsekvent på ein annan måte (lang f og latinsk e; to døme på s. 257b)

Ved skatten rosstjeneste i 1688 eide Susanne sal. Peder Anderssen (eller de nyslåtte arvingene) odel- og pantegods for til sammen 12 lauper og 10 1/2 merker. I samme skatteliste finner vi Elling Robertsen Tjørstad i Bergen, som skattet av 1 laup. Dette tolker jeg som salg, og ikke arv, av panteobligasjonen i Smørdal, siden den allerede hadde kommet på nye hender før resten av jordegodset ble fordelt til arvingene. Tror dermed vi kan klippe strengen til Elling Robertsen. Stiftamtstueregnskap nr. 87 (1688-1688), Dokumentside Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/rk20090706310100 Stiftamtstueregnskap nr. 87 (1688-1688), Dokumentside Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/rk20090706310109

I'm trying to follow the chronology here. He claims to have been born i November 1891, which was too late to be registered in the 1891 census. He would still be a child in 1900, and as he claimed to have lived in Norway until an age where he could work as a sailor, I expect he woud be at least 14-15 y old when he left. If he was born here and lived here until he could be expected to work as a sailor, he shoud have left a Baptism record 1900 census record Confirmation record Quite possibly a record as a sailor He claims he arrived at Willliamstown, by 'Crocodile' from England in 1910, when he would have been 19. Unfortunately there are no passenger records for 'Crocodile' in the Australian records https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/PassengerSearch_Ships.aspx 'Crocodile' can't be the British Navy ship, because those by that name no longer existed when O. F. Hallett in Australia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Crocodile There exists a photograph from 1904 of a pair of sailors eating aboard one 'Crocodile', a four master bark which sailed between Australia and England with wheat. I have no idea of this is the same ship as above, or if it was the ship that brought O.F. Hallett to Australia. https://victoriancollections.net.au/items/65d803e7fb431f1221ccf073 This is probably that four master bark https://collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/resource/PRG+1373/1/75 According to his own report, after leaving Norway he worked as a sailor for about 7 years. It is not clear if he worked as a sailor after relocating to Australia. If he was 14 when he left, he woud be 21 y of age when he arrived in Australia, and the year would be 1891 + 21 = 1912. However, he claimed to have arrived in Australia in 1910, which means he would have had to go to sea at the age of 12 if he found other work after moving to Australia. As he applied for naturalization in 1939, and only listed how long he stayed at 3 of the 8 locations in Australia, he may well have been a sailor after he arrived in Australia. As for records of him, this seems to be another one from Autralia, https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=1144248&isAv=N

Dette skal vere råd å rette, men eg fekk det ikkje heilt til. Kanskje @Lars Holden fiksar resten? At ein Hansen har far Nils er sjølvsagt ikkje rett, men td uerfarne utanlandske brukarar vil gjerne ikkje reagere.

Takk Per, for oppklaringen. For en vestlending er det vanskelig å se slike sammenhenger andre steder. Da kan jeg fortelle oldebarna og tippoldebarna til John og Brita hvorfor forfedrene tok navnet Frisvold.

"Mave-Sygdom" (same M som i t.d. "Maanede" nedst på sida)

Forslag: Gaardsbrug, som han selv eier Jægteeier

Tusen takk for helpa. Greier nokon dødsårsaken til bror av Ole Sørensen og. Død i Stavanger i 1791: Domkirken sokneprestkontor, SAST/A-101812/001/30/30BA/L0007: Ministerialbok nr. A 7, 1789-1815, s. 22 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070625660604 Nr 46. Søren Olsen Siqwalands søn

Newcastle-on-Tyne might be a ship but most likely is the place in England he left from. In the earlier memory it just says he left from England, not saying where in England. Here is a link to a discussion about sailor records in Norway: http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/genealogy.asp?articleid=4&zoneid=2

Well, he appears to be the Frederick Hallet in the Norwegian 1891 census, born in Hull, England in 1864. His middle name is Charles. At his death his occupation was "shipwright", so very probably ocean-going, and his presence in Norway at just the moment when Oscar would have been conceived is also fortuitous ... The tree might help if you end up doing DNA as Frederick came from a large family, you might find his descendants (he married in 1893 and had 3 children) or descendants of his siblings to test.... So keep your powder dry and keep in mind it might come down to testing.

Tusen takk! Tore

Når du seier det.... Det kan vere "Søfarende"; men S-en liknar svært på J i "Jakob" (neste dåpsbarn) ... Fødselsåret må vere 1851. Merknaden: "Hans 2det og hendes 1ste leiermaal. Opgivet af Ole(?) Haugsbakk"

Takk for gode svar.

Tusen takk

Brændeviins- brænder

The census was recorded on the 1st of January 1891. Bravo sailed from Kristiansund on the 15th of January to Hull, and also stopped in Bergen on the way.

Det skjedde vel da gjester ikke fikk adgang lenger...

Eg les det sånn: "Nikolai Albert" "Ungk. Johannes Nils Nilsen Troset og pige Berit Anne Ols. Haugsbakk" "Haugsbakke" "Oline Olsd Feren(?) Marie Nilsd Haugsbak, Ane Olsd ibid, Anders Andersen Gorov(?)haug; andreas Olsen Feren(?)"

Every rule is meant to be broken. And when the Norwegians came over here they made many adjustments since our system had evolved to be an inherited surname you got from your father, which mostly wasn't in play in Norway (some exceptions however.) Here are Mar* Christians* b 1844 to 1872 who are living in Bergen and parishes in Hordaland in the 1891 census taken 1 January 1891: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?from=&to=&jt[]=3&c[]=12&m[]=1301&firstname=mar*&lastname=christians*&genders[]=k&birth_year_from=1844&birth_year_to=1874&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=&sort=rel

Yes, but many others here on the forum know more about this than I do. My relatives from the countryside used "farm" and father's surname as it suited them (or whatever suited the priest) He wrote what he wanted. Normally the name written at baptism became the name used

Her er lenke: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050511010487

Se også dødsfallsprotokoll (nr 12): https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/23983/149

Every farm in Norway has a name. A farm name is added to your given name (given to you at your baptism) and the patronymic which is your father's given name with son or daughter added to it depending on your gender. The farm name functions as an identifier about your address. As long as you live on the farm, you may add the farm name to your given and patronymic. When you move to another farm you then adopt that farm name instead of your prior address. This system worked for a long time.

Se også omtale i Gard og folk i Skåre, side 883 (bruk 12). Det står ikke der når hun døde, men en mulig kandidat døde 30. mars 1878 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070102350008 Enke Malene Larsdtr. Sørhaug, fødselsår 1794. https://www.nb.no/items/a98ebf7466726b75fd6024f548f8e67c?page=241&searchText=nygård

Sett denne? Haugesunds Dagblad, mandag 10. juli 1967 (nb.no)

Funnet til Lars J passer godt med at Salomon M døde 11. november 1839: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/1696/95

? Gift på nytt 7.3.1845, med Ole Knudsen Sørhaug https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050922040968

Possible father of Oscar visited Bergen and had a son. Mother may have had many surnames at the time, as there were several options. She could call herself her father's last name. Or use her father's first name + sen(son). Or the farm/place where father came from or was employed or she was born. But if Oscar was born in Bergen/Hordaland, we Norwegian genealogists should be able to find this out Another possibility is that "Mary" has been in the United States, became pregnant, but returned home before giving birth. The last possibility is that Oscar was born in Bergen but that his mother/parents left there before he was baptized. If there are no traces here, then he either had something to hide, found himself a new name, or comes from another place called Bergen. For example Bergen op zoom in Netherlands etc Brg Ivar

Takk til Svein Arnolf. Etter mye leting i to dager har jeg også funnet fram til nettopp den saken du nevner. Den er omtalt i bygdeboka for Flå, bind III side 65. Heller ikke der er det noen kildehenvisning, men jeg fant saken som startet 10. juni 1678 i tingbok nr. I-14 for Ringerike og Hallingdal, folio 33a. Etter noen utsettelser ble saken avsluttet 12. april 1679 i tingbok nr. II-7, folio 19b. Da la Colbjørn Haukedalen fram dette skiftet etter hans mormor: Och Bleff aff Colbiørn Houkedalen fremlagt en Copie aff it Schifftebreff effter Guri Olluffs datter Fossem d: 23 May: 1618. Her nevnes også hans Sl: Moder Guron Christophersdatter och hans Moster Brynild Christophersdatter. Skiftet var altså 23.mai 1618, ikke 1628 som det sto i den artikkelen jeg først fant. Ikke bare manglet kildehenvisningene, men årstallet var helt feil! I denne saken er kun de to døtrene til Guri Olsdatter nevnt. Ikke fire barn som oppført i artikkelen i Gjallarhorn. Men det finnes heldigvis flere andre kilder som utfyller bildet. Ringerike og Hallingdal sorenskriveri, SAKO/A-81/F/Fa/Fab/L0007: Tingbok - Sorenskriveriet, 1679-1680, s. 20 Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/rg20090610620300 En liten bønn til alle som skriver om slekt: vær så snill å oppgi kilder! Da slipper andre å lete i dagevis etter den opprinnelig kilden til opplysningene.

An exceeding long shot. No mention found of children although there is a marriage for him mentioned prior to 1891, but no occupation indicating a connection to Norway New York Sun Tuesday 31 January 1939 page 19 Society col 2

It is a list of places/Farms that was namet Hallet. People outside cities often took the name of the place they lived as a part of their Name. As I wrote there are no places in Norway named Hallett but 7 spelled Hallet. Amongst them is a place in Tysnes, Hordaland. Not far from Bergen. I do not know if any of these places has anything to do with the people you are looking for.

Det er slett ikke umulig. Det skal visstnok finnes reisende i den grenen av familien. Takk for tipset!

Har DIS gått i dass? Ottar

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Han over arbeider ved Kare-maskinen. Kan denne jobbe ved Tørremaskinen? Mvh

Paul Lorents- sen Langelid Litt usikker på l-en i lid

Uldvarefabrikarbejder (ved Tø.... maskin)